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by Ceisiwr
Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:38 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Do we need to make an effort to control or should we not try to control our breathing during meditation?
Replies: 15
Views: 349

Re: Do we need to make an effort to control or should we not try to control our breathing during meditation?

confusedlayman wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:38 pm how do you observe the breath without controlling?
You breathe automatically. Just notice it, and continue to notice it. Around the nostrils helps.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:26 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Is it true that in meditation we cannot make any body movements?
Replies: 4
Views: 42

Re: Is it true that in meditation we cannot make any body movements?

Is it true that in meditation we cannot make any body movements? Why is this detail fundamentally important? When you meditate, do you try to keep your body completely still? Can you do this easily or do you have difficulty? How long is possible to go without any body movement? Keeping the body com...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:39 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

‘there are no things’ ‘There is no self’ might be declarations from people who want to put a label in their thoughts like for example the label ‘Theravada’. But those concepts don’t help anybody and they have not been teached by the Velnerable One. Instead you can read in the suttas about those ext...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:28 pm
Forum: Vipassanā / Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvana
Topic: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?
Replies: 58
Views: 62741

Re: What are your ideas about Pa Auk method ?

Relevantly, whether they say so or not, anyone who thinks that the Tathāgata ultimately doesn't exist inevitably holds to the position that "After death a Tathāgata does not exist." Note that the view isn't "After death a Tathāgata ceases to exist," and thus the "there neve...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:52 pm
Forum: Pāli
Topic: vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ before or after kāye kāyānupassī ?
Replies: 10
Views: 336

Re: vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ before or after kāye kāyānupassī ?

Hello all, I have a pali question. In Satipatthana suttas it says " Idha bhikkhave bhikkhu kāye kāyānupassī [alex: and other 3] viharati ātāpī sampajāno satimā vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ [/u]" Does " vineyya loke abhijjhādomanassaṃ " refer to what happens prior to kāye kāyā...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 6:50 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

There is no CT that comes or has come to a conclusion. It’s only people / beings that can come to a conclusion. And there is a difference between presenting what others did say or did conclude and what one self understood and can thereby contribute. The focus here is on understanding the Theravada ...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 11:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eternity
Replies: 113
Views: 1279

Re: Eternity

I wouldn't try to mix concepts from different religious traditions, it's a futile task. I agree, it's futile, and it often looks like lazy perennialism, or new-age mix and match. <shudder> And understanding the differences between traditions is actually a good way of understanding what the individu...
by Ceisiwr
Tue Apr 09, 2024 9:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Eternity
Replies: 113
Views: 1279

Re: Eternity

Well OK, and if so is it in any way different from a human soul as conceived by a faithful Catholic? People think they are the same person they were (twenty years ago)… They do not account for the fact they’re someone else (Well they sort of do) Yes, and another distinction is that a soul is create...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:00 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

auto wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:58 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:56 pm
auto wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:54 pm
Isn't very wrong tho, no? (from a spiritualist percpective)
Its not correct according to Theravāda, nor in my opinion.
Is theravada a materialist religion?
No, since it recognises immaterial things and realms of existence. For a materialist matter is all there is.
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:56 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

auto wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:54 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:51 pm
auto wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:50 pm
buddha is a vishnu avatar to convert atheists.
According to Hinduism yes. According to Theravāda, no.
Isn't very wrong tho, no? (from a spiritualist percpective)
Its not correct according to Theravāda, nor in my opinion.
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:51 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

Ok. If that is the path you have chosen I can respect that. I sometimes listen to Advaita Vedānta talks. Even though I don't agree its still interesting. Trying to say Buddhadhamma is concerned with that though won't work, because its not true. buddha is a vishnu avatar to convert atheists. Accordi...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:20 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

Trying to say Buddhadhamma is concerned with that though won't work, because its not true. You think wrongly that negating self somehow transcends self view The actual way to transcend self view is restraint Not according to Classical Theravāda, or the suttas. Please be mindful of where you are pos...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:11 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

The path of the Dhamma is to undo the false notion of there being a self to begin with. Its a totally different trajectory to other paths like Christianity, Jainism or Vedanta to name a few. Its the opposite direction of travel. That view arises, according to CT and the suttas, because of craving a...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 9:01 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

The sutta is saying that that particular teaching, which very well could have been the Upanishadic one, is foolish because a self is "anupalabbhamāne" Its a foolish teaching because there isn't a Self at all, so its nonsense according to the text. If you agree or not is another matter, bu...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Apr 08, 2024 8:58 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 304
Views: 10114

Re: Identity View

You are of course entitled to your own views, but its at odds with Theravāda. Its also at odds with the suttas themselves. We are though all on a journey. Go back far enough in my posts and you will find me saying some ridiculous things. The most important point here for me that it does not odd wit...