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by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:03 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Abhidharmadharmaskandhapādaśāstra
Replies: 7
Views: 120

Abhidharmadharmaskandhapādaśāstra

An AI translation of a section of the Sarvāstivādin Dharmaskandha, which is quite an old Abhidharma text sharing some content in common with the Theravādin Vibhaṅga. As you can see, their definition of Samādhi is the same as what we see in the Visuddhimagga. "How is the attainment of spiritual ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:48 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 14
Views: 352

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Kasina was mentioned in the Sutta but the actual practice was kind of not clear to me. The most comprehensive sources I know were from Visuddhi/Vimutti-magga. So, please elaborate your take in detail and share the references from the Pali canon, if possible the actual practice itself and not just w...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:29 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 14
Views: 352

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Zom wrote: Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:23 pm
In Pali canon every time kasinas are mentioned it is done in conjunction with jhanas and/or superhuman abilities based on jhanas. So practice is very clear.
Where is that? I wouldn’t say they are rather clear. Rather they are quite obscure in the suttas.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:31 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 14
Views: 352

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

Personally I don't think it matters if you gain the perception in a grove or via a clay disc, as long as the result is the same. When I practice for the fire Kasiṇa i focus on a candle flame, trying to ignore everything else. This is incorrect method. Kasina is a non-dual perception inside jhana, n...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

cappuccino wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:14 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:12 pm I wasn’t attacking his personality.
You said he is a realist


Similar to saying I am a Christian hence I cannot know
He is a realist, and you are a Christian. I didn’t say he was wrong for being a realist. I said a realist wouldn’t agree, which is true.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

cappuccino wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:34 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:26 pm I appreciate a realist won’t agree.
Play the ball not the man


(object to the argument itself instead of their personality)
I wasn’t attacking his personality.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:26 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

I wouldn't say these concepts really apply to nibbāna. Yes they do. They are concepts that are used to describe Nibbana. When you reach the far shore, you give up the notion of either shore. When you reach nibbāna, you give up the notion of nibbāna. The Buddha reached the far shore, yet he still us...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

Ultimate Reality is beyond all notions. Yet it does have attributes. It is Uncreated being one of them. The Ultimate Dhamma is the Permanent, the Stable, the non-disintegrating. Not quite beyond all notions then :shrug: These are from the 33 synonyms of Nibbana. It is beyond all notions, but we are...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:23 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 14
Views: 352

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

In Pali canon kasinas are not devices. They are states of mind in jhanic samadhi. Since that is so, "kasina meditation" was just an aspect of jhanic meditation, something to be done when jhanas are already attained. Centuries later someone introduced kasinas as physical disks, which is ob...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:17 pm
Forum: Samatha Bhāvana
Topic: Origins of Kasina Meditation?
Replies: 14
Views: 352

Re: Origins of Kasina Meditation?

I found some Kasina Meditation Vimt. Dharmaskandha, Mahaprajnaparamita­sastra, Abhidharma-sajgīti-paryāya-pāda But I don't know which is the oldest record What is the oldest record about Kasina Meditation? The suttas/sutras themselves. Regarding Abhidharma the Sangītiparyāya is probably the oldest ...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

Absence of what notion? Ultimate Reality is Ultimate Reality Ultimate reality. When there is nibbāna there are no distinctions. Ultimate Reality is beyond all notions. Yet it does have attributes. It is Uncreated being one of them. The Ultimate Dhamma is the Permanent, the Stable, the non-disintegr...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:02 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

Cause_and_Effect wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:59 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:46 pm
The ultimate reality is the absence of that notion.
Absence of what notion?
Ultimate Reality is Ultimate Reality
Ultimate reality. When there is nibbāna there are no distinctions.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

In the end the Dhamma is let go of too. It’s conventional. There are two, at first sight seemingly conflicting definitions in the suttas regarding this. However it can be reconciled by what I said earlier in that the term Dhamma is a multifaceted term that can have different connotations depending ...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 61
Views: 1852

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

I think one needs to go beyond concepts of 'God' and 'creation' that we are familiar with, and simply see that there is the Dhamma. On some level it is totally transcendent and unfathomable, but beings can align and live in accordance with its known principles and how it manifests in the universe, ...
by Ceisiwr
Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:10 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Jhāna in the Śāriputrābhidharma-śāstra
Replies: 16
Views: 476

Re: Jhāna in the Śāriputrābhidharma-śāstra

Do you mean independent of the non-sectarian Abhidhamma. In the abhidahmma literature, I have read that Buddhist schools borrowed material from each other's later developed Abhidhamma, (cherry-picking). Theravāda developed its Abhidhamma independently, yes (accept for the bits it holds in common wi...