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by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:30 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Immersed in Freedom
Replies: 1
Views: 38

Re: Immersed in Freedom

Pondera wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:03 am
ekaggata
Ekaggatā is used to preserve the meaning of the more obscure ekodi: https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/ek ... n-web/3823
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is this knowledge for?
Replies: 2
Views: 35

Re: What is this knowledge for?

What is this knowledge for? I just started to think about why I am so engrossed in Buddhism. I feel that Sutta's study is mainly for monks. I just wondered whether there is much practical usage for laypeople. Is the exploration of Buddhism any different to the exploration of otherworldly pursuits? ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:25 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kamma and intention
Replies: 19
Views: 503

Re: Kamma and intention

This is a really great illustration of why the Buddha didn't teach that there is no self. And of how the crazy mahāyāna emptiness teachings evolved via the Big Lie that he did teach it. If all dhammas are empty of a self, then a self doesn’t exist. If everything is empty of “blue” then there is no ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:07 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 31
Views: 4976

Re: Identity View

I don’t know of that kind of statement. So I wouldn’t say it’s just a view. More of a fact, that Buddha didn’t teach an extreme conclusion or strong concept like that ‚there is no self‘. He really did, which is also the Classical Theravadin position. Sadly today many people are exposed to ideas the...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:03 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 31
Views: 4976

Re: Identity View

Literal translation of one of the most famous verses from the Dhammapada: Attā hi attano nātho The self is the self's protector/refuge Ko hi nātho paro siyā For who else would be (its) protector/refuge? Attanā hi sudantena With a self well-tamed Nāthaṁ labhati dullabhaṁ. One gains the protector/ref...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol
Replies: 146
Views: 4293

Re: Venerating the Dhamma as the Impersonal Divine Cosmic Order symbolized by the Thousand Spoked Wheel symbol

It is very sad that Mahasamghika did not survive up to this day. Regarding Sarvastivadins, it seems that they were still more open minded in certain interpretations of the suttas, for example luminosity of the mind. A lot of Mahayana has its roots in the Mahasamghikas. Theravada too says the mind i...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:58 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Kamma and intention
Replies: 19
Views: 503

Re: Kamma and intention

This is a really great illustration of why the Buddha didn't teach that there is no self. And of how the crazy mahāyāna emptiness teachings evolved via the Big Lie that he did teach it. If all dhammas are empty of a self, then a self doesn’t exist. If everything is empty of “blue” then there is no ...
by Ceisiwr
Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:05 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

So you investigate impermanence in a 'normal' state? Why bother with jhana in the first place? Is there anywhere in the suttas that states one comes out of any of the four jhanas in order to develop wisdom? MN 140, MN 52 Talking about fake news. A supposedly critical part of the practice according ...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

Knowing, understanding and discriminating doesn't necessarily involve vittaka & vicara. Even in daily life this can be seen. Understanding (paññā) requires reflective thought (paṭisañcikkhati). How can one reflect when the mind is in an immovable state (āneñja), and without vitakka-vicāra which...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:13 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

BrokenBones wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:04 pm Vitakka & Vicara may have gone but discrimination, perception and understanding are still rattling around.

Although, these things are long gone in VM style jhana.
This is deliberate misrepresentation. Fake news.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

BrokenBones wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:04 pm You're not making your argument;
Providing premises and a conclusion is making an argument.
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

It's of little value to throw out a couple of sutta numbers without actually quoting the parts that you think backs up your view. From MN 52 Again, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain…a …Then they reflect (paṭisañcikkhati) : ‘This fourth jhāna is conditioned and volitionally produced. But what...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:48 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 39
Views: 1029

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

If they are qualities then that isn’t quite true. Also nibbana is said to be a dhamma. Conditioned qualities are fabricated. And nibbana is beyond fabrication by definition. We have to distinguish between conditioned and unconditioned dhammas. "Anything we experience" covers both? I think...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:55 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

So you investigate impermanence in a 'normal' state? Why bother with jhana in the first place? Is there anywhere in the suttas that states one comes out of any of the four jhanas in order to develop wisdom? MN 140, MN 52 It's of little value to throw out a couple of sutta numbers without actually q...
by Ceisiwr
Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Two Types of Jhāna
Replies: 25
Views: 469

Re: Two Types of Jhāna

What is "object-scrutinising Jhāna"? "Jhāna is twofold: that which (views or) examines closely the object and that which examines closely the characteristic marks. Of these two, "object-scrutinising" Jhāna examines closely the devices [e.g., Kasiṇas] as mental objects. Insi...