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by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:39 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 40
Views: 5044

Re: Identity View

Suddh wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:30 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:21 pm Read the Sabba Sutta, then the Sunna Sutta.
It's pretty clear.
Read them many times. They're clear, yes. Your point is not.
The senses are all there is (Sabba Sutta) and the senses are empty of self (Sunna Sutta).
Again, is this not clear to you?
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:34 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 40
Views: 5044

Re: Identity View

The Buddha is quite clear that if Vacchagotta hadn’t been liable to such confusion, he would have said there is no self. A true self is an impossible thing. Indeed, and it's very clear. It's puzzles me that some don't (won't?) understand this. Do explain it for our benefit if you can. Is the follow...
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:21 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 40
Views: 5044

Re: Identity View

by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:09 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 40
Views: 1049

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

SarathW wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:16 am Nibbana can not be experienced as it is unconditioned.
:D
Why bother then? :tongue:
by Spiny Norman
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:07 pm
Forum: Classical Theravāda
Topic: Identity View
Replies: 40
Views: 5044

Re: Identity View

Ceisiwr wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:03 pm The Buddha is quite clear that if Vacchagotta hadn’t been liable to such confusion, he would have said there is no self. A true self is an impossible thing.
Indeed, and it's very clear. It's puzzles me that some don't (won't?) understand this.
by Spiny Norman
Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:24 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 40
Views: 1049

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

Anything we fabricate If they are qualities then that isn’t quite true. Also nibbana is said to be a dhamma. Conditioned qualities are fabricated. And nibbana is beyond fabrication by definition. We have to distinguish between conditioned and unconditioned dhammas. "Anything we experience"...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:20 pm
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: What is a dhammā exactly?
Replies: 40
Views: 1049

Re: What is a dhammā exactly?

Anything we experience?
by Spiny Norman
Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:54 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: "If we owned our body, it would obey our every command"
Replies: 41
Views: 773

Re: "If we owned our body, it would obey our every command"

Hello, I keep running into this statement in Ajahn Chah's teachings. I don't understand the logic. To me this sounds like a logical fallacy, because it doesn't matter what kind of thing you own, it just does not follow that said thing will 'obey your commands', especially if it's not even a being o...
by Spiny Norman
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:29 pm
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Buddha appear lagging behind Jesus & Mohammed
Replies: 75
Views: 4038

Re: Buddha appear lagging behind Jesus & Mohammed

I sometimes wonder whether the focus on suffering puts people off.
by Spiny Norman
Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

cappuccino wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:18 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:46 pm Eternalism is … while annihilationism is
Eternalism means you do not change


(You are the same person you always were)


Annihilationism means you won’t exist


(Period)
No.
by Spiny Norman
Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:46 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

So you agree that nothing is annihilated because there are no things that inherently exist in the first place? No that’s annihilationism Trying to sneak past I think you're missing the point. In the suttas both eternalism and annihiliationism are based on the assumption of a self. Eternalism is the...
by Spiny Norman
Mon Mar 04, 2024 6:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:27 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:52 pm When the parts are assembled
we use the word ‘chariot’.
I know this way of thinking
It’s not the full picture
It's not a "way of thinking", it's what the suttas say.
Anyway, what is the full picture in your view?
by Spiny Norman
Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:52 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

Have you read SN 5.10? A nun? She thinks that way “Why do you believe there’s such a thing as a ‘sentient being’? Māra, is this your theory? This is just a pile of conditions, you won’t find a sentient being here. When the parts are assembled we use the word ‘chariot’. So too, when the aggregates a...
by Spiny Norman
Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:06 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:57 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:01 pm
cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:31 am
Annihilationism is not the teaching
Because there is nothing to be annihilated. See SN 5.10.
No…
Why "no"? Have you read SN 5.10?
by Spiny Norman
Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:03 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: The great cappucciNO SELF debate
Replies: 760
Views: 19389

Re: The great cappucciNO SELF debate

cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:04 pm

Still not what dependent arising is about
Please say briefly what you think DO is about then.