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by Alex123
Tue Feb 06, 2024 3:00 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:39 pm
Alex123 wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:38 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:34 pm A tree being dependent and independent at the same time
It is not.
So which is it. Dependent or independent?
I answered it before.
by Alex123
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:38 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:34 pm A tree being dependent and independent at the same time
It is not.
by Alex123
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:33 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:29 pm
Alex123 wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:27 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:27 pm

So it has an independent existence
from your mind.
So a tree has both a dependent and independent nature. This is a contradiction, and is what the Jains teach.
It is not a contradiction as I have explained it to you because contradiction requires two mutually exclusive statements.
by Alex123
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:27 pm
Alex123 wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:25 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:52 pm

So how is it independent of mind?
It doesn't require existence of your mind to exist.
So it has an independent existence
from your mind.
by Alex123
Tue Feb 06, 2024 2:25 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:52 pm
Alex123 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:51 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:41 pm

Yet you say it also has an independent nature. Emptiness is the absence of that in all things.
It does not have independent nature. It is 100% dependent. Full stop.
So how is it independent of mind?
It doesn't require existence of your mind.
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:51 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

So it has a dependent nature and an independent one. This is a contradiction, and is a doctrine of the Jains. It doesn't. It is fully dependent on conditions, not independent. Not solipsism/idealism. Yet you say it also has an independent nature. Emptiness is the absence of that in all things. It d...
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:36 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

sphairos wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:39 pm Hi Alex123.

There is a new very thorough book on momentariness in Theravāda (under the supervision of R. Gethin):

https://uvhw.de/files/3_uvHW_Leseproben ... SAMPLE.pdf
Thank you! :namaste:
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:29 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

So a tree is part dependent, part independent? Sounds like Jainism to me. It is fully dependent on its conditions, but not on consciousness. In other words, you can't through imagination will it into existence . So it has a dependent nature and an independent one. This is a contradiction, and is a ...
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:21 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: "Hypnogogic" imagery during long meditation sits.
Replies: 12
Views: 846

Re: "Hypnogogic" imagery during long meditation sits.

Do you still see these dreams? What are they? Any example/memory? Not recently. An example: I see a piece of paper with something written on it. Sometimes I could even read a bit, but mostly not. Or I see something random, and as usual I try to snap out of it ASAP because I am getting away from med...
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
Topic: "Hypnogogic" imagery during long meditation sits.
Replies: 12
Views: 846

Re: "Hypnogogic" imagery during long meditation sits.

Staring into a bright lamp can damage your eyes. Maybe, though optometrist I've talked to doesn't think it is the case. I sometimes look at bright lamp to counteract hypnogogic imagery (that might be due to sleepiness). I meditate mostly when it is dark which might be contributing to sleepiness. I'...
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:11 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Also interesting to note the inherent contradiction here. People will claim that trees are independent, yet they will also say they are dependent on their environment. How can a thing have two contradictory natures? In the first case you had independence of observers. In the 2nd case you had indepe...
by Alex123
Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:51 am
Forum: Early Buddhism
Topic: Ven. Yinshun: Samyutta/Samyukta Buddhism
Replies: 51
Views: 5208

Re: Ven. Yinshun: Samyutta/Samyukta Buddhism

The two celebrated scholars of Theravada, Bhikkhu Bodhi and Thanissaro Bhikkhu point to the contrary SN 47.42, which elucidates the 4 establishments of Mindfulness in an entirely different manner. BB notes that its thrust goes against the general thrust of the Theravada/Vibajjavadin tradition. Both...
by Alex123
Thu Feb 01, 2024 2:23 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?
Replies: 384
Views: 13360

Re: When & why did the teaching on momentariness emerge?

Ceisiwr wrote: What do we mean when we say something is real? For the average worldly person they mean said thing has objective existence, i.e. independent existence "The tree exists independently of observers". Also interesting to note the inherent contradiction here. People will claim t...
by Alex123
Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:08 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Craving vs Ignorance as the Root of Suffering.
Replies: 18
Views: 722

Re: Craving vs Ignorance as the Root of Suffering.

... Question: Why was craving rather than ignorance emphasized in 4NT? Wouldn't it be more precise to say that it is " ignorance fueled craving that makes for further becoming... "?... There are moments when the vedanā are not present. This doesn't mean there's understanding by then. It o...
by Alex123
Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Craving vs Ignorance as the Root of Suffering.
Replies: 18
Views: 722

Craving vs Ignorance as the Root of Suffering.

Hello all, As you know in 4NT it says that: " And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming—accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there—i.e., craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for no...