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- Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:25 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.
- Replies: 113
- Views: 28597
Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.
Hi nibs, It seems that the main emphasis of this movement is "enlightenment" , and not purification (from defilements), and not liberation (from suffering). Perhaps this is where the main difference lies between this movement and "orthodox theravada". http://www.accesstoinsight....
- Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:12 am
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.
- Replies: 113
- Views: 28597
Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.
Hi Taintless, We may have crossed path before, no? ;-) [*]The hardcore dharma movement places too much emphasis on experience as a validator, as opposed to faith and gradual practice. Perhaps, but some of us within the movement, do not so much anymore. It's a mixed bag. Also,it seems no-one except t...
- Sun May 27, 2012 10:36 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
I know Nibs isn't a big fan of the VM, but I still root for Buddhaghosa, so I went and took a look at this passage in context, and it looks as if Nibs is right, there is some Abhidhamma stuff popping up there. Of course there is Abhidhamma stuff in there. The Vism. relies heavily upon the Abhidhamm...
- Sun May 27, 2012 9:59 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Yeh, not a Visuddhimagga fan these days. I'd rather go with the end of what is seen as 'stress' from personal experience than what Buddhaghosa wrote. As long as it leads to the complete dropping away of misery, I'm cool with it. Each to his/her own. Sure, that's fine. However, when using terms such...
- Sun May 27, 2012 9:14 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Have you ever experienced the cessation of all 'me-ness' and then its re-arising? One's notion of 'stress' may change if so. As you can already tell, I'm an Ayya Khema fan: "The path moment doesn't have any thinking or feeling in it. It is not comparable to the meditative absorptions (jhana). ...
- Sun May 27, 2012 1:02 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Sounds like Dr ingram's version of the arhat. I ultimately disgreed with his interpretation . I wouldn't know/don't know who Ingram is. Ah, sorry. Not important. Do you think there was a conspiracy to make up a walking, talking, eating, sleeping, shitting, pissing, Buddha? How is this not a dodge? ...
- Sun May 27, 2012 12:55 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Clinging to the view that there is no self versus seeing in real time no self in the aggregates are two different things, no? The Buddha didn't teach "seeing in real time no self in the aggregates" but perceiving the aggregates as not-self, and he dismissed formulas categorically equating...
- Sun May 27, 2012 12:40 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
No argument here. But if one examines the assumptions about 'self' and thus stops construing it from the 5 aggregates, how and why does it still arise as an ongoing experience of 'self' in your opinion? Following the Buddha's lead on this very topic , my opinion about it is irrelevant. metta Fair e...
- Sun May 27, 2012 12:28 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Isn't one construing such an experience of a 'sense of self/existing'? When you're not construing your hand, where does it go? When you are construing it, where is it? It's existence does not dependent on you construing it, but when you're not construing it it doesn't go away; and you know this bec...
- Sun May 27, 2012 12:13 pm
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Ok. Where does it say in the suttas a 'sense of self' does not dissapear for good at full awakening? Where does it say it does ? The Buddha wanted us to examine our assumptions about self, not come to ultimate conclusions about the ontological (metaphysical) status of self/selves. No argument here....
- Sun May 27, 2012 10:00 am
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Here is Ayya Khema talking about the stages of awakening and what happens to the sense of 'me-ness'. This is me praraphrasing but she says soemthing like "the anagami still has ignorance (still a very faintest hint of a “me”) Very faint but it is there: There is a conceiving of a self". ht...
- Sun May 27, 2012 8:52 am
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
Can you point to a sutta/s where it negates the Buddha 'eradicating all of his 'sense of selves'. I don't understand this sentence. Would you please re-state it? Thanks (If you're asking what I think, consider that in the suttas the Buddha uses personal pronouns to refer to himself all the time). O...
- Sun May 27, 2012 7:44 am
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
The Buddha didn't eradicate all his senses of self. The Buddha taught what is not self, not that there is no self. He taught us to see our senses of selves for what they are: inconstant (anicca) aggregates (khanda). Hi Daniel, I'm curious about the above claim. Can you point to a sutta/s where it n...
- Sat May 26, 2012 1:40 am
- Forum: General Theravāda Meditation
- Topic: Why Meditate?
- Replies: 341
- Views: 64361
Re: Why Meditate?
"And what is right mindfulness? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world . He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... the mind in & of itself.....
- Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:07 pm
- Forum: Connections to Other Paths
- Topic: Reduction of Suffering Levels
- Replies: 23
- Views: 3485
Re: Reduction of Suffering Levels
Hi nibs, thanks for sharing. What would you say is referred to as "amata" = "deathless" or "without death"? Hi kirka, I don't want to pretend to be knowledgeable about pali and the suttas because i am not. I am not sure what "deathless" or "without death...