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by daverupa
Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:38 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profusely?
Replies: 392
Views: 4152

Re: Why has annihilationism proliferated Theravada so profus

... prospect of death? That too. The one issue that can be vexing here is arahants committing suicide due to extreme & unrelenting pain, but that's another thread.
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:54 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Did the Buddha make mistakes?
Replies: 20
Views: 581

Re: Did the Buddha make mistakes?

Have you come across the sutta where some monks commit suicide or have themselves killed because they practiced the foulness of the ... his habitual way of speech, uttered without any pride, contempt, or malice. Arahants are never deluded or unmindful. That is what we call a mistake, when ...
by Mkoll
Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:07 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... lust. That is what I think makes most sense. So you think male arahants still find certain female human bodies attractive ("like" ... he endured, but unperturbed. And the most flagrant cases of all, the suicide of the arahats. Would they commit suicide if they had no dislike ...
by Modus.Ponens
Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:39 am
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... lust. That is what I think makes most sense. So you think male arahants still find certain female human bodies attractive ("like" ... he endured, but unperturbed. And the most flagrant cases of all, the suicide of the arahats. Would they commit suicide if they had no dislike ...
by SarathW
Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:27 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Is There Really a Practice for Dying Consciously?
Replies: 8
Views: 226

Re: Is There Really a Practice for Dying Consciously?

... Anything about it in the Suttas? the only occasions in the suttas of arahants killing themselves is related to intense pain , and they used standard ... Suicide+Arahant#p208591
by culaavuso
Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:17 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: A sad story of Vesali sutta (mass suicide)
Replies: 19
Views: 650

Re: A sad story of Vesali sutta (mass suicide)

... it makes no sense when interpreted in a literal way, then why not interpret it in a figurative way? The knife is a symbol of wisdom. And attaining arahantship is psychological death. They seem to love this sort of word-play, but it is often impossible to translate. In this interpretation, how would ...
by martinfrank
Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:02 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Is Depression Caused by Karma?
Replies: 26
Views: 489

Re: Is Depression Caused by Karma?

... actions, from this life and from former lives. If we would be all Arahants, we wouldn't suffer from depression, but we aren't and we do suffer ... drop into a bottomless hole. Depression has a high mortality through suicide, particularly in young men, old men, gay boys. It is a serious condition ...
by Mkoll
Fri May 30, 2014 6:20 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... pleasures. I don't nitpick about "7 days and ordain", "suicide of the arahant", or "32 marks of the great man". Those ... tangle. Those whose passion, aversion, & ignorance have faded away, arahants, their effluents ended: for them the tangle's untangled. Where ...
by Denisa
Fri May 30, 2014 12:09 am
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... Can you explain how the fact that the Buddha allowing arahats to commit suicide is not a contradiction? If you interpret the dhamma rigidly, this ... to Nibbana would serve as a bad example for the Sangha, but these arahants were in agonizing pain. Would it not be uncompassionate to deny ...
by robertk
Thu May 29, 2014 11:42 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... Can you explain how the fact that the Buddha allowing arahats to commit suicide is not a contradiction? If you interpret the dhamma rigidly, this ... to Nibbana would serve as a bad example for the Sangha, but these arahants were in agonizing pain. Would it not be uncompassionate to deny ...
by Modus.Ponens
Thu May 29, 2014 7:05 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... Can you explain how the fact that the Buddha allowing arahats to commit suicide is not a contradiction? If you interpret the dhamma rigidly, this ... to Nibbana would serve as a bad example for the Sangha, but these arahants were in agonizing pain. Would it not be uncompassionate to deny ...
by waterchan
Thu May 29, 2014 6:07 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... Can you explain how the fact that the Buddha allowing arahats to commit suicide is not a contradiction? If you interpret the dhamma rigidly, this ... to Nibbana would serve as a bad example for the Sangha, but these arahants were in agonizing pain. Would it not be uncompassionate to deny ...
by waterchan
Wed May 28, 2014 9:03 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... so much physical pain that the Buddha gave them permission to commit suicide, which was allowable since they were arahants and had nothing left to achieve.
by Modus.Ponens
Wed May 28, 2014 7:38 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment
Replies: 989
Views: 41651

Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

... Teachings of the Buddha, he states on page 237 that non-returners and arahants are quite capable of doing such things as sleeping with prostitutes, ... That makes an interesting "contradiction". Aproval of suicide, with the result of suicide, is an offense that entails expulsion ...
by waterchan
Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:34 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: What is the 10 precepts an arahant has to follow?
Replies: 22
Views: 456

Re: What is the 10 precepts an arahant has to follow?

villkorkarma wrote:Its logic that the arhant cannot be killed or do something that will kill him after he done something whatever it will be that he does


Not really, some arahants were murdered and some committed suicide. They're arahants not X-Men...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:52 am
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: What motivates Arahant?
Replies: 78
Views: 2562

Re: What motivates Arahant?

... than stated AFAIK. There are several cases of lay people becoming Arahants and then immediately ordaining. Those who had to go in search of ... life? If he or she is unattached to anything, why not ordain? On Suicide
by mikenz66
Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:15 pm
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Mahayanists and the historical record
Replies: 73
Views: 3025

Re: Mahayanists and the historical record

... be the enlightened one, many of his followers claimed to have attained arahantship, and the Dhamma encourages one to come and see for oneself. But ... made the claim (to his preceptor and was later published following his suicide) that he had attained sotapatti. He said ya know, this is what's ...
by BlackBird
Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:28 am
Forum: Open Dhamma
Topic: Mahayanists and the historical record
Replies: 73
Views: 3025

Re: Mahayanists and the historical record

... be the enlightened one, many of his followers claimed to have attained arahantship, and the Dhamma encourages one to come and see for oneself. But ... made the claim (to his preceptor and was later published following his suicide) that he had attained sotapatti. He said ya know, this is what's ...
by theY
Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:58 pm
Forum: Ethical Conduct
Topic: Interesting Thought - Painkillers? Anti-depressants?
Replies: 44
Views: 5871

Re: Interesting Thought - Painkillers? Anti-depressants?

... wrote similar to 'channathera was not arahanta, or ariya while himself suicide.' Why ? -Arahants can't do anything without reasons considering--paññā, if that doings aren't general--because ...
by whynotme
Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:33 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Suicide of Arahants
Replies: 6
Views: 720

Re: Suicide of Arahants

Dabba did not commit suicide — he just knew beforehand the time of the expiry of his life-span, and told the ... also Rockhill, op. cit., 165f). There are one or two cases of suicide, but not by Arahants. Ghodhika Thera attained Arahantship after slitting his throat with a razor, ...

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