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by Coëmgenu
Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:16 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)
Replies: 36
Views: 582

Re: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)

As far as I know, Buddha suffered from back pains and many arahants committed suicide due to pains cause by illness. As for the second question, I am sure suffering does not ...
by Maiev
Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:12 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)
Replies: 36
Views: 582

Re: Relativity of awareness in animals (including humans)

As far as I know, Buddha suffered from back pains and many arahants committed suicide due to pains cause by illness. As for the second question, I am sure suffering does not ...
by binocular
Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:47 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... are:- ⋅ Killing does not include killing oneself. (i.e. suicide is not the unwholesome kamma of killing living-beings, which Arahants are clearly incapable of doing). ⋅ A Stream-winner (sotāpanna) can kill ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:00 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... are:- ⋅ Killing does not include killing oneself. (i.e. suicide is not the unwholesome kamma of killing living-beings, which Arahants are clearly incapable of doing). ⋅ A Stream-winner (sotāpanna) can kill ...
by Maiev
Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:47 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

That since arahants have apparently committed suicide, it is alright if lay people do it too? Or that if someone wishes to commit suicide, society at large ...
by binocular
Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:17 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... here. There is not just one random case of arahant committing suicide in the pali canon but many. It's not clear what the underlying issue is in this thread topic. That since arahants have apparently committed suicide, it is alright if lay people do it too? ...
by Monk Jag
Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:40 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... left for the Arahant? Eating, sleeping and breathing...to what end? The Arahants have "no further work to do", and therefore how they end ... identified with and clung-to. This is the danger zone. Am I advocating suicide, NO. Am I stating that the text indicates Arahants bringing about ...
by cjmacie
Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:16 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

...Since Arahants are entirely free from dosa, why would they take their own life? The accounts clearly ... and disappointment (which are aspects of dosa) prior to taking up a knife. This is not suicide , of course. Dabba foresaw his own imminent demise, and paid his final respects ...
by Monk Jag
Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:57 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... expansion ". Monks who try to force Christian values of "suicide = hell" in some automatic fashion do not understand even the ... can show textual evidence from the suttas that categorically shows that Arahants are incapable of killing themselves, then I am more than happy to ...
by Maiev
Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Did the Buddha Suffer?
Replies: 23
Views: 513

Re: A question about the 1-life model

... jhana in order not to be bothered by his back pain. It is true that arahants suffer less than a normal person because of not clinging. For example a normal person might be bothered to the point of suicide by worldly problems, a stream-enterer way less, an arahant not at all. ...
by udani
Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:21 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... That Sutta clearly mentioned that Channa knew about his attainment (Arahantship) before suicide.He tell about his attainment to Sāriputta and Ven Sāriputta questioned him about the ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... That Sutta clearly mentioned that Channa knew about his attainment (Arahantship) before suicide.He tell about his attainment to Sāriputta and Ven Sāriputta questioned him about the ...
by robertk
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:13 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...
by udani
Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

There are four Arahants who committed suicide: Channa, Godhika, Vakkali, and Vesali. Channa and Vakkali committed suicide after attaining to the Arahantship. ...
by udani
Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:24 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Re: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... any painful feeling?" Cases like that of Godhika Thera show that Arahantship was attained after the action that caused there death. There is 4 Arahants commit suicide Channa, Godhika and wakkali and vesali . Channa and Wakkali get suicide after ...
by SarathW
Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:59 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Bhante Jag - Euthanasia
Replies: 90
Views: 2050

Bhante Jag - Euthanasia

... another life. (Can someone give me Sutta support for this?) - The three Arahants committed suicide as per Sutta were Arahants before they commit the act. I know there are many discussions ...
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:53 pm
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: An Amazing opportunity - ven. Wajirabuddhi Thero
Replies: 135
Views: 3862

Re: An Amazing opportunity - ven. Wajirabuddhi Thero

... believe that his teacher is an Arahant, even though he may be far from Arahantship. Some monks may be very abstemious and composed, learned in the ... powers" who recently wrote to me asking whether she should commit suicide as she had achieved everything that should be done, but did not wish ...
by SarathW
Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:02 am
Forum: General Theravāda discussion
Topic: Do Buddhists believe in predicting the future?
Replies: 33
Views: 2165

Re: Do Buddhists believe in predicting the future?

Hi my neighbour friend.
Arahants and Anagamis are incapable of commit suicide.
Please open a new post if you want to discuss this point.
Go to Board index, then select general Thervada and select a new post.
by NotMe
Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:31 am
Forum: Connections to Other Paths
Topic: Overcoming "the need to fix"
Replies: 6
Views: 377

Re: Overcoming "the need to fix"

... where'd everyone go? The reply was they got so repulsed they committed suicide if they could, if not they hired assassins to do them in. Hence, ... so normal before he went on that shooting spree ..." If only arahants are worthy to teach - hadn't we all better shut our yapper? Sure ...

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