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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Pannapetar » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:33 am

Hi acinteyyo,

You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.

It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.

While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.

Cheers, Thomas

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:11 am

Pannapetar wrote:Hi acinteyyo,
You are right. Career and work entail dukkha, marriage and family entail dukkha, single life entails dukkha, and -guess what- monastic life also entails dukkha. Some think that monastic life is free of dukkha, or at least easier, but that's an illusion. What monastic life does is that it puts you (hopefully) in a better position to deal with dukkha.
It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do. There is no running away from dukkha. But you can learn to avoid unnecessary dukkha and learn to manage the unavoidable part skilfully. You don't need to become a monk in order to do that.
While the avoidance of dukkha is skilful in some situations, one must realise that it makes a very poor life goal. If the supreme goal in life is the avoidance of dukkha, that's a bit like dodging life itself. I would not recommend this approach. Instead, follow the path that you recognise to be of true value.
Cheers, Thomas

Thank you for your answer Thomas! I did not say anything about becoming a monk. But the advantage of monastic life, as I see it, is that a lot of worldly hindrances related to a worldly life can be easily reduced. The one who still lives a "normal" life can only reduce hindrances hardly to a certain level, beyond that normal live becomes impossible and following the path becomes impossible, too. One should think about that. That's why I said:
acinteyyo wrote:I think I'm going to manage this circumstances and reduce my "involvement" concerning the wordly life

Pannapetar wrote:It is important to understand that you cannot escape dukkha, no matter what you do.

You're not serious aren't you? Take a look at my signature. I wouldn't do anything if there wouldn't be a way out. But you're right in case of "self". If someone "is someone" and thinks "I am" then there is no escape from dukkha for him/her until things are seen as they are.

best whishes, acinteyyo
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:19 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings acinteyyo,
My advice would be, in those circumstances, to ensure you steer clear of anything which could complicate any future interest in the monastic life such as engagement, marriage, children, combined purchases/investments of a significant scale.
Metta,
Retro. :)

Hi retro,
sounds good to me! ;)
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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Pannapetar » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:18 am

acinteyyo wrote:You're not serious aren't you?


Maybe it's the wording: You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.

Cheers, Thomas

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:33 am

Pannapetar wrote:You cannot escape dukkha, but you can defeat it.


I don't get it.
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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Thaibebop » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:05 pm

Guten Tag! Herzlich willkommen! Mein Name ist Shaun.

Sorry, I just completed my first semester of Deutsch and am enjoying opportunities to practice. Hope you enjoy it here! :hello:

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:10 pm

Moin again,

I'm back although I wasn't really away. I have had a lot to do the last months and therefore only rarely visited dhammawheel. Sometimes only to read a bit or to check whether I received a PM or not.

I've decided to share the recent changes in my life. As some of you know I have nearly served 10 years in the german air force. This year will be my last year. In the german military you can start a new apprenticeship after 10 years if you don't want to stay in the military and return to civil life. Now that those 10 years come to an end I decided to introduce some major changes to my lifestyle in order to adjust the course more alongside the path of right livelihood.

I managed to get an early exemption from military service which enables me to begin an apprenticeship as farmer in September. It'll take about 2 - 3 years. I plan to invest my compensations in a tiny piece of land and start to build a self-sufficient and sustainable little farm. In the future I hope I will be able to withdraw myself from the cycle of money and live a simple and secluded life.

As you probably can imagine, my military service often made proper Dhammapractice difficult, therefore I'm very glad that this huge obstacle has been overcome and I'm looking forward to the new changes ahead.

best wishes, acinteyyo :anjali:
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:23 pm

Congratulations! A well deserved change to practice the Dhamma without obstacles.

Best of luck!
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby katavedi » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:35 pm

Anumodana, acinteyyo! It sounds like a good decision, and more conducive to practice.

Kind wishes,
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“But, Gotamī, when you know of certain things: ‘These things lead to dispassion, not to passion; to detachment, not to attachment; to diminution, not to accumulation; to having few wishes, not to having many wishes; to contentment, not to discontent; to seclusion, not to socializing; to the arousing of energy, not to indolence; to simple living, not to luxurious living’ – of such things you can be certain: ‘This is the Dhamma; this is the Discipline; this is the Master’s Teaching.’”

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby The Thinker » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:49 pm

Hello
"Watch your heart, observe. Be the observer, be the knower, not the condition" Ajahn Sumedho volume5 - The Wheel Of Truth

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby Paul Davy » Thu Aug 18, 2016 9:31 pm

Greetings,

I'm very pleased for you, friend. This is excellent news.

Mudita,
Paul. :)
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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby SDC » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:50 pm

So happy for you! And glad to have you back around.

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Re: Another "Moin"

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:05 pm

:thanks: :group:
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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