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Re: hijacking threads

Postby clw_uk » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:26 am

There seems to be a strong aversion to said forum, i find it strange as to why. After all it is a place where there can be a more open discussion, seems people are just averse to hearing opposite views to their own, sorry if that isnt true but thats what it seems like from reading some posts



Having now got the lay of the land a little re Dhamma Wheel Forum I think it unlikely that I will be visiting the "Free For All " again. It seems there really may be people who roam Buddhist websites courting controversy. I find it astonishing.



Or they just state what they feel is more in line with Buddhadhamma? who knows, perhaps there onto something :o or perhaps there not :( . Of course one can never know unless one reads said arguments


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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:41 am

I am certainly not suggesting that anyone else should utilise Dhamma Wheel Forum in the same way that I do clw-uk. I just know that when I get involved in those kind of discussions its a lot to do with my ego making points and/or settling scores, and/or looking for social strokes or affirmation. So having discovered that I had inadvertantly wandered into that kind of setting I looked for the door. Others can no doubt involve themselves in a less egotistical way. But I know that I cant.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:44 am

clw_uk wrote:Or they just state what they feel is more in line with Buddhadhamma? who knows, perhaps there onto something :o or perhaps there not :( . Of course one can never know unless one reads said arguments

Perhaps I can expand on this point. Of course it is important to have one's understanding challenged. However, what I'm most interested in is improving my understanding of the many subtle and difficult points of the Tipitika. While some of the "free for all" discussions do illuminate subtle points, they tend to be focussed on a rather small subset.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:51 am

Thanks Mike

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby christopher::: » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:01 am

tiltbillings wrote:I moved Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions? almost as soon as it was posted in the Lounge to the free-for-all section, because seemed to have more Dhammic issues than not, but it could have stayed where it was.


I noticed that.

Also, was the Free-for-all section always invisibled like it is now or is that a recent change. To be honest, i dislike having discussions in the free section for the same reasons others have mentioned here. Debate situations do trigger ego reflexes and confrontational mindstates, imo. Many folks tend to leave discussions when things get that way...

Which can be a loss to those who for one reason or another remain. Biggest loss being that of hearing the balanced yet nonconfrontational views of fellow practitioners not interested in getting into pissing matches.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:51 am

Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.
Please see the following two screen shots and please confirm that this is what you see.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:53 am

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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:07 am

christopher::: wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:I moved Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions? almost as soon as it was posted in the Lounge to the free-for-all section, because seemed to have more Dhammic issues than not, but it could have stayed where it was.


I noticed that.

Also, was the Free-for-all section always invisibled like it is now or is that a recent change. To be honest, i dislike having discussions in the free section for the same reasons others have mentioned here. Debate situations do trigger ego reflexes and confrontational mindstates, imo. Many folks tend to leave discussions when things get that way...

Which can be a loss to those who for one reason or another remain. Biggest loss being that of hearing the balanced yet nonconfrontational views of fellow practitioners not interested in getting into pissing matches.

:group:


As for the Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions?, the content likely would not have been any different in the Lounge than where it is now.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:09 am

Ben wrote:Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.


If you are not logged in you see that there is a free-for-all section, but you cannot look at the content without logging in. That is a relatively recent change.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Ben » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:16 am

Ok, but Christopher would need to log in before he began contributing which would mean he would still have access to seeing all forums on DW once he logged in.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:23 am

Ben wrote:Ok, but Christopher would need to log in before he began contributing which would mean he would still have access to seeing all forums on DW once he logged in.
Cheers

Ben


Damdifino what he means. He'll need to clarify, it would seem.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

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Re: hijacking threads

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:34 am

Ben wrote:Second screen shot: View New Threads



As a newbie to this forum I must say it was its sub-title that attracted me to join. I am still surprised that it appears not to be noticed by some posters.
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Re: hijacking threads

Postby christopher::: » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:47 am

tiltbillings wrote:
Ben wrote:Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.


If you are not logged in you see that there is a free-for-all section, but you cannot look at the content without logging in. That is a relatively recent change.


Yes, this is what i was refering to, that when a guest who is not logged in hits "active topics" the free for all discussions are no longer listed and can not be viewed... i noticed the change right after the move of the "Tolerance" conversation....

We actually implemented the same changes over at ZFI a few months ago, for a few forums. The purpose was to protect member privacy cause people were revealing personal information.
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~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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