There seems to be a strong aversion to said forum, i find it strange as to why. After all it is a place where there can be a more open discussion, seems people are just averse to hearing opposite views to their own, sorry if that isnt true but thats what it seems like from reading some posts
Having now got the lay of the land a little re Dhamma Wheel Forum I think it unlikely that I will be visiting the "Free For All " again. It seems there really may be people who roam Buddhist websites courting controversy. I find it astonishing.
Or they just state what they feel is more in line with Buddhadhamma? who knows, perhaps there onto something or perhaps there not . Of course one can never know unless one reads said arguments
metta
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
I am certainly not suggesting that anyone else should utilise Dhamma Wheel Forum in the same way that I do clw-uk. I just know that when I get involved in those kind of discussions its a lot to do with my ego making points and/or settling scores, and/or looking for social strokes or affirmation. So having discovered that I had inadvertantly wandered into that kind of setting I looked for the door. Others can no doubt involve themselves in a less egotistical way. But I know that I cant.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.
clw_uk wrote:
Or they just state what they feel is more in line with Buddhadhamma? who knows, perhaps there onto something or perhaps there not . Of course one can never know unless one reads said arguments
Perhaps I can expand on this point. Of course it is important to have one's understanding challenged. However, what I'm most interested in is improving my understanding of the many subtle and difficult points of the Tipitika. While some of the "free for all" discussions do illuminate subtle points, they tend to be focussed on a rather small subset.
Metta
Mike
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
tiltbillings wrote:I moved Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions? almost as soon as it was posted in the Lounge to the free-for-all section, because seemed to have more Dhammic issues than not, but it could have stayed where it was.
I noticed that.
Also, was the Free-for-all section always invisibled like it is now or is that a recent change. To be honest, i dislike having discussions in the free section for the same reasons others have mentioned here. Debate situations do trigger ego reflexes and confrontational mindstates, imo. Many folks tend to leave discussions when things get that way...
Which can be a loss to those who for one reason or another remain. Biggest loss being that of hearing the balanced yet nonconfrontational views of fellow practitioners not interested in getting into pissing matches.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)." ~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009
Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.
Please see the following two screen shots and please confirm that this is what you see.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
tiltbillings wrote:I moved Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions? almost as soon as it was posted in the Lounge to the free-for-all section, because seemed to have more Dhammic issues than not, but it could have stayed where it was.
I noticed that.
Also, was the Free-for-all section always invisibled like it is now or is that a recent change. To be honest, i dislike having discussions in the free section for the same reasons others have mentioned here. Debate situations do trigger ego reflexes and confrontational mindstates, imo. Many folks tend to leave discussions when things get that way...
Which can be a loss to those who for one reason or another remain. Biggest loss being that of hearing the balanced yet nonconfrontational views of fellow practitioners not interested in getting into pissing matches.
As for the Should Buddhists be Tolerant of Other Religions?, the content likely would not have been any different in the Lounge than where it is now.
>> Do you see a man wise[enlightened/ariya]in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Ben wrote:Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.
If you are not logged in you see that there is a free-for-all section, but you cannot look at the content without logging in. That is a relatively recent change.
>> Do you see a man wise[enlightened/ariya]in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Ok, but Christopher would need to log in before he began contributing which would mean he would still have access to seeing all forums on DW once he logged in.
Cheers
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Ben wrote:Ok, but Christopher would need to log in before he began contributing which would mean he would still have access to seeing all forums on DW once he logged in.
Cheers
Ben
Damdifino what he means. He'll need to clarify, it would seem.
>> Do you see a man wise[enlightened/ariya]in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
As a newbie to this forum I must say it was its sub-title that attracted me to join. I am still surprised that it appears not to be noticed by some posters.
The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.
Ben wrote:Hi Christopher
I'm intrigued by your statement that the Dhammic-free-for-all is 'invisible.
If you are not logged in you see that there is a free-for-all section, but you cannot look at the content without logging in. That is a relatively recent change.
Yes, this is what i was refering to, that when a guest who is not logged in hits "active topics" the free for all discussions are no longer listed and can not be viewed... i noticed the change right after the move of the "Tolerance" conversation....
We actually implemented the same changes over at ZFI a few months ago, for a few forums. The purpose was to protect member privacy cause people were revealing personal information.
"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)." ~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009