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Minimalist living

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:55 pm

Hello

I found this 15 min documentary very interesting. It revolves around the listyle of a person with the fewest possessions possible. He describes in a very clear way why this is a good idea. Enjoy. :smile:

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Re: Minimalist living

Postby appicchato » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:43 am

'Minimalist'?...minimalist would be not paying at least three grand a month rent on that pad... :coffee:
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Samma » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:51 am

I'm a bit fan of minimalism as a style
"Minimalism is any design or style wherein the simplest and fewest elements are used to create the maximum effect"

But I think we can be careful to distinguish this from renunciation. I'd say this guy is more renouncing a lot based on his society, but certainly not everything, 3k a month apt (if that is what it is). Guy probably wanted something close to work, and to not have to live in a tent, if that is even legal anywhere close.

But this video was more of a show and tell, and not much explanation.
I looked up his book on amazon, and the reviews are mixed.

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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Sam Vara » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:20 am

appicchato wrote:'Minimalist'?...minimalist would be not paying at least three grand a month rent on that pad... :coffee:


Agreed. It reminds me a bit of John Lennon singing "Imagine no possessions" in a big pristine empty white room in his Thames-side mansion.

And this morning on the radio a pop philosopher discussing his latest book about art. He made the point that minimalism is a style which is often favoured by people with very crowded and busy lifestyles. The house and furnishings don't reflect the inner state, but are, rather, an indication of where the person wants to be. Not universally true, of course, but suggestive.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby dagon » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:09 am

Sam Vara wrote:
appicchato wrote:'Minimalist'?...minimalist would be not paying at least three grand a month rent on that pad... :coffee:


Agreed. It reminds me a bit of John Lennon singing "Imagine no possessions" in a big pristine empty white room in his Thames-side mansion.

And this morning on the radio a pop philosopher discussing his latest book about art. He made the point that minimalism is a style which is often favoured by people with very crowded and busy lifestyles. The house and furnishings don't reflect the inner state, but are, rather, an indication of where the person wants to be. Not universally true, of course, but suggestive.


Given the existence of the video is would suggest that if reflects the way that he wishes to portray himself.

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Re: Minimalist living

Postby purple planet » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:41 am

when i lived alone i had much less stuff then him - and i didnt try to be a minimalist and i dont think that i was

his just a single person not a family -
he has a guitar and a keyboard
he has a computer - and still adds a projector
a microwave and an oven which includes fire to fry and cook on top

ect ect

the only thing he dosnt have is a bed - thats all the difference i find from a normal person - and also living in a big apartment
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Dan74 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:55 am

I quite liked the vid, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby chownah » Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:47 am

Anybody into making short videos here?
Idea 1) redo this video only it is an inmate in his cell. (the "when friends visit" parts could be great!)
Idea 2) redo this video as a monk in his kuti.
Idea 3) make a video documenting the making of the minimalist video showing how if you had a car full of stuff you could ask a friend moving into a new apartment if before they moved their stuff in you could in about an hour make a film about minimalist living and then be out of their way.

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Re: Minimalist living

Postby purple planet » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:58 pm

But of course it was nice to watch made me think about the whole concept of minimalism

got me thinking if someone really tryed to have minimum affect on the environment and to really take nothing and try to give as much as he can - he might become an arahant just by that - if he will take it to the extreme
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:16 pm

Interesting concept; but perhaps not the greatest messenger. He took the stairs to the 6th floor, so assume he lives on the 6th floor, with great view, hardwood floors, fairly large space, more than what is needed on a minimalist lifestyle.

When I was in college I had less stuff than what he had, but that was more of an economic thing than a choice. Even today, I don't have a guitar or a keyboard like the guy in the video. :tongue:

The Jains have the exact same 5 precepts we have with only one difference: Aparigraha - non-materialism, no-possessions. Less things, less things to worry about. As long as it is a choice, I think it could lead to more contentment, less stress.

There is a passage (Jataka?) somewhere in the Pali Canon, maybe one of you knows the specific reference where a lady tells the Buddha she has 1,000 homes (I assume for rental business). The Buddha responds, "1,000 sources of dukkha." My wife and I quote that passage to each other whenever a stressful time comes in our business. :tongue:
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:08 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Interesting concept; but perhaps not the greatest messenger. He took the stairs to the 6th floor, so assume he lives on the 6th floor, with great view, hardwood floors, fairly large space, more than what is needed on a minimalist lifestyle.

When I was in college I had less stuff than what he had, but that was more of an economic thing than a choice. Even today, I don't have a guitar or a keyboard like the guy in the video. :tongue:

The Jains have the exact same 5 precepts we have with only one difference: Aparigraha - non-materialism, no-possessions. Less things, less things to worry about. As long as it is a choice, I think it could lead to more contentment, less stress.

There is a passage (Jataka?) somewhere in the Pali Canon, maybe one of you knows the specific reference where a lady tells the Buddha she has 1,000 homes (I assume for rental business). The Buddha responds, "1,000 sources of dukkha." My wife and I quote that passage to each other whenever a stressful time comes in our business. :tongue:


I thought it was awesome. He is not a buddhist, from what I gather. He's just a guy who understood that possessions are a burden. He also understood another crucial thing that I think most people here missed: time is our most valuable "asset". And what I understood is that he uses his money in a way to maximize this "asset". That may include living in a house where he feels happy, even though it's expensive. If that saves him time and makes him happy, then he's already winning. Why would he need to save money? The other misunderstanding is related to him possessing a keybord and a guitar. Since he is not a buddhist, he focus on learning skills, not aquiring possessions. Skills are for life and much more satisfying than material possessions. Plus they can put food on your mouth.

List of things he doesn't have (out of the top of my head):
bed,
books,
cds,
dvds,
shelves,
more than one minimum cooking/eating set,
nightstands,
sheets,
pillow cases,
endless old medicine
TV.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby appicchato » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:36 pm

I thought it was awesome.

List of things he doesn't have (out of the top of my head):
bed,
books,
cds,
dvds,
shelves,
more than one minimum cooking/eating set,
nightstands,
sheets,
pillow cases,
endless old medicine
TV.


Right there with the millions of homeless and displaced...and (dare one say) hundreds of millions very nearby...
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:58 pm

I liked the video, and thank you for sharing.
It reminded me of a time nearly 30 years ago when I lived the life of a semi-recluse in the resort town of Noosa Heads in Queensland. My only pieces of furniture were two coffee tables. I spent a lot of my time meditating, practicing aikido and eating on a macrobiotic diet.
I agree with MP's observation regarding the value of time over money - I think that is important.
I like what he had to say about developing equanimity with regards to any situation that life throws at us - its a central message in my own tradtion. However, I don't think one needs to become a minimalist and have close to no possessions to develop that equanimity.
I thought David would like the stair-climbing scene.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby daverupa » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:03 am

appicchato wrote:
I thought it was awesome.

List of things he doesn't have (out of the top of my head):
bed,
books,
cds,
dvds,
shelves,
more than one minimum cooking/eating set,
nightstands,
sheets,
pillow cases,
endless old medicine
TV.


Right there with the millions of homeless and displaced...and (dare one say) hundreds of millions very nearby...


Yes, yes. Yes.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:41 am

Ben wrote:I thought David would like the stair-climbing scene.


:) Definitely! :)

He seems to be in good shape and he made some good points about how to do it with minimal cost too. You don't need expensive exercise machines. If you live in a mid-rise or high-rise like he does, just take the stairs. Or use the door way for pull-up or chin-ups. Another easy one, which he didn't show is push-ups. No equipment needed for that and it uses your own body weight as a type of "bench-press."

Push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, stairs, yoga; no equipment needed and great exercises.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby chownah » Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:06 am

Voluntary simplicity; the gateway to minimalist living.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:16 am

daverupa wrote:
appicchato wrote:
I thought it was awesome.

List of things he doesn't have (out of the top of my head):
bed,
books,
cds,
dvds,
shelves,
more than one minimum cooking/eating set,
nightstands,
sheets,
pillow cases,
endless old medicine
TV.


Right there with the millions of homeless and displaced...and (dare one say) hundreds of millions very nearby...


Yes, yes. Yes.


I don't get the point.
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby chownah » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:14 am

Does living minimally make one a better person?
Does being a better person mean you will be a more minimal liver?
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Dan74 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:19 am

I am guessing people are detecting some hypocrisy in professing to be minimalist and not caring for possessions while still living a privileged lifestyle when many don't have that choice.

For my part, I think it's a step in the right direction. Consuming less is good for the environment and a good example to all. Whether the guy in the video thought he was something special or just a guy who was sincerely trying to orient himself away from the material, I don't know, but I hope the latter, and I think that's a good step.

I have few possessions apart from my hobby, photography, where I have a positively obscene amount of equipment. Trying cull the excess over the next few weeks...
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Re: Minimalist living

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:31 am

Dan74 wrote:I am guessing people are detecting some hypocrisy in professing to be minimalist and not caring for possessions while still living a privileged lifestyle when many don't have that choice.

For my part, I think it's a step in the right direction. Consuming less is good for the environment and a good example to all. Whether the guy in the video thought he was something special or just a guy who was sincerely trying to orient himself away from the material, I don't know, but I hope the latter, and I think that's a good step.

I have few possessions apart from my hobby, photography, where I have a positively obscene amount of equipment. Trying cull the excess over the next few weeks...


If that is the point I'm missing it's because that doesn't contradict at all the point he is making of living with the fewest possessions.

The point he is making is that possessing a thing is a burden. Using a thing is not. The only thing he is doing is geting rid of the burden to focus on what he thinks are important aspects of life. So he doesn't live in a cave? What do we know about what he does with the extra money he earns? Maybe he gives it, or maybe not. That's a lateral question. The video was making two points: 1) material possessions are a burden; 2) time is our most valuable asset. I see no hypocrisy here. :shrug:

I agree that he is in the right direction.
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