I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Ytrog » Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:34 am

Travel by toad is uncomfortable? :?
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mindfulness, bliss and beyond (page 8) wrote:Do not linger on the past. Do not keep carrying around coffins full of dead moments


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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:03 am

Once I could see the picture (!) I could see a few lessons in it. Here's one that seems to have been overlooked.
manas wrote: the little rat-like creature is cute, and the toad is,,,horrible and ugly.

I think a lot of us would respond along those lines but we really should realise that such a response is (to use a Pratchettism) speciesist. To toads, toads are beautiful and anything furry is probably sort of yucky. A hypothetical intelligent reptile would probably congratulate the toad here as we would congratulate a cat which had managed to catch a lizard. And so on.
Our responses are learned, to some extent, but we typically side with creatures more like us against creatures less like us - mammals ahead of reptiles and amphibia, reptiles ahead of insects ... and people with our own skin colour ahead of people with different skin colour. Sigh.
Ideally, of course, our attitude to all sentient beings would be the same.

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Postby Sam Vara » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:11 am

Ah, yes, the Patagonian Metta-Frog.

So-called because he selflessly carries around furred animals in his mouth if they are bothered by the rain, or if they get tired. Some have been known to sacrifice their lives in the service of their furry little "friends" in this way.

Thanks for such an uplifting picture, Tilt. It has redoubled my intention to develop my Metta.

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby imagemarie » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:01 am

tiltbillings wrote:For those who could not see the picture and now wish they hadn't:
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Move towards the difficult, the unpleasant. Hello toad. Hello mouse.

(thinks..maybe I should reactivate my Facebook account :smile: )

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Dan74 » Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:49 am

Sam Vega wrote:Ah, yes, the Patagonian Metta-Frog.

So-called because he selflessly carries around furred animals in his mouth if they are bothered by the rain, or if they get tired. Some have been known to sacrifice their lives in the service of their furry little "friends" in this way.

Thanks for such an uplifting picture, Tilt. It has redoubled my intention to develop my Metta.


:clap:

when a saint is projecting... :D

PS My response to the picture was "poor mouse!' and 'life is fragile and short and it's gonna be even more fragile and even shorter if I don't apply myself correctly this time around!'
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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby daverupa » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:04 am

tiltbillings wrote:Image


This is what I saw, originally. I thought the lesson related to broken links & anicca. :shrug:

Wild stuff.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:07 pm

I think some were not seeing the image due to connectivity speed. I had no problem seeing the image at my business where the connection is very good and fast, but at home a couple of times I did not see it.

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Postby Ytrog » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:00 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:I think some were not seeing the image due to connectivity speed. I had no problem seeing the image at my business where the connection is very good and fast, but at home a couple of times I did not see it.

That is not the problem as I had it on my 25Mb/s line at home. If I try to open the image (in the original post) in an new tab it says that the attachment is removed.
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mindfulness, bliss and beyond (page 8) wrote:Do not linger on the past. Do not keep carrying around coffins full of dead moments


If you see any unskillful speech (or other action) from me let me know, so I can learn from it.

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby pegembara » Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:53 am

"Here now, Malunkyaputta: What will I say to the young monks when you — aged, old, elderly, along in years, come to the last stage of life — ask for an admonition in brief?"



"What do you think, Malunkyaputta: the forms cognizable via the eye that are unseen by you — that you have never before seen, that you don't see, and that are not to be seen by you: Do you have any desire or passion or love there?"

"No, lord."

"The sounds cognizable via the ear...

"The aromas cognizable via the nose...

"The flavors cognizable via the tongue...

"The tactile sensations cognizable via the body...

"The ideas cognizable via the intellect that are uncognized by you — that you have never before cognized, that you don't cognize, and that are not to be cognized by you: Do you have any desire or passion or love there?"

"No, lord."




Seeing a form
— mindfulness lapsed —
attending
to the theme of 'endearing,'
impassioned in mind,
one feels
and remains fastened there.
One's feelings, born of the form,
grow numerous,
Greed & annoyance
injure one's mind.
Thus amassing stress,
one is said to be far from Unbinding.

Hearing a sound...
Smelling an aroma...
Tasting a flavor...
Touching a tactile sensation...

Knowing an idea
— mindfulness lapsed —
attending
to the theme of 'endearing,'
impassioned in mind,
one feels
and remains fastened there.
One's feelings, born of the idea,
grow numerous,
Greed & annoyance
injure one's mind.
Thus amassing stress,
one is said to be far from Unbinding.

Not impassioned with forms
— seeing a form with mindfulness firm —
dispassioned in mind,
one knows
and doesn't remain fastened there.
While one is seeing a form
— and even experiencing feeling —
it falls away and doesn't accumulate.
Thus one fares mindfully.
Thus not amassing stress,
one is said to be
in the presence of Unbinding.

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby yawares » Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:22 am

tiltbillings wrote:Image

Dear "tiltbillings",

I think the lesson is CURIOSITY CAN KILL MANY MANY CATS... OR it is the picture of THE LOST WORLD starring Jeff Goldblum:

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/i ... f+goldblum

Am I right??
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Croco lesson

Postby Alobha » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:02 pm

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:25 pm

Silly place to go skinny-dipping!

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:49 pm

While obviously a "photoshopped" image, I thought might have been more appropriate in the quitting porn thread.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Ytrog » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:09 am

tiltbillings wrote:While obviously a "photoshopped" image, I thought might have been more appropriate in the quitting porn thread.

Might just be a dead crocodile actually.
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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:27 am

No its definitely photoshopped. The woman's body is too small for its location relative to the wall.
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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby daverupa » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:54 pm

Image
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere

Postby bodom » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:57 pm

I am sure there is a lesson in this somewhere...


Don't bite off more than you can chew?

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah


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