Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

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Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby gavesako » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:39 am

I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:

Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

http://spreadtheflame.com/2012/11/chris ... igination/

:rolleye: :offtopic:
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Modus.Ponens » Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:33 pm

That was hilarious Bhante. :mrgreen:
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:35 pm

:rolleye: indeed.

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dan74 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:06 pm

I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:11 pm

Dan74 wrote:I've seen worse. It appears to be a sincere, well-meaning and reasonably intelligent attempt. Though it does seem to make a huge leap of faith and logic at the crucial spot and proclaim Jesus to be an answer to all "issues" of Buddhism, when Buddhism gives a more cogent answer already.
It is neither sincere nor well-meaning; there is no genuine attempt at engagement with Buddhism in that. It is naught more-than bald-faced proselytism, but it is rather unintentionally humorous.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:21 am

:jumping:

Hey its the internet, everybody has the god given right to make a fool of them selves :)
"When you meditate, don't send your mind outside. Don't fasten onto any knowledge at all. Whatever knowledge you've gained from books or teachers, don't bring it in to complicate things. Cut away all preoccupations, and then as you meditate let all your knowledge come from what's going on in the mind. When the mind is quiet, you'll know it for yourself. But you have to keep meditating a lot. When the time comes for things to develop, they'll develop on their own. Whatever you know, have it come from your own mind.
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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Alobha » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:32 am

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:mrgreen:

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby plwk » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:20 am

Yes Bhante, when the kool aid runs out, there's still... Image
Bhikkhus, if you develop and make much this one thing,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.
What is it? It is recollecting the Enlightened One.
If this single thing is recollected and made much,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby polarbear101 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:22 am

Inevitable. :sage:
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kusala » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:46 am

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - Gandhi
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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Justsit » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:37 am

Alobha wrote:Image

:mrgreen:

Well, if you ask a Christian, he isn't dead - he rose on Easter and went back to heaven.
Just sayin'...

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby James the Giant » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:33 am

This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

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Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dan74 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:43 am

James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

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:twothumbsup:

Tilt, I got an impression that the writer took some time to learn basic Dhamma (though may have understood little of it). Unlike some other Christian sites I didn't see grotesque distortions and slander but what appeared to me a genuine attempt to answer Buddhist questions, as he understood them, with his Christian faith.

He probably didn't make the effort to delve into the religion he was critiquing properly, but then you hardly expect the proselytizing folks to do that, do you?
_/|\_

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Dhammanando » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:50 am

gavesako wrote:I think this rightly belongs in the "Lounge" section:

Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator


I should love to arrange for a meeting between this John Lambert fellow and the Baptist pastor Rev. Tip.

Rev. Tip was originally an animist and hereditary shaman of Mae Soon, the Pgaz K'Nyau village where I live. His conversion to Christianity appears to have been rather skin-deep and the man remains an animist at heart, subsuming the Gospel under animism much as John Lambert subsumes the Dhamma under Christianity.

In the Tipist christology, for example, Jesus enjoys the exalted status of guardian spirit of the Mae Soon village too-hoo tree. This is the tree on whose branches Pgaz K'Nyau hill-tribe women will nail their dried umbilical cords after giving birth to a son. This may perhaps strike Christians as a bit of a demotion from being the Divine Logos, co-eternal with the Father, etc., but Rev. Tip's having none of it. As far as he's concerned he's done the bearded farang hippy a great favour by appointing him to this exalted post.
    ...and this thought arose in the mind of the Blessed One:
    “Who lives without reverence lives miserably.”
    Uruvela Sutta, A.ii.20

    It were endless to dispute upon everything that is disputable.
    — William Penn Some Fruits of Solitude,

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Re: Dependent Origination & Jesus the Liberator

Postby Kusala » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:49 am

James the Giant wrote:This may not be relevant, but I love it anyway...

Image


:twothumbsup:
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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "


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