Anna, I do not think that any men here meant to make you feel under attack in any way. But maybe, in light of this topic being originally a tribute page for a courageous woman now deceased, that if we wish to continue any more contentious discussion - with, I hope, the aim of mutual understanding between all - that maybe a separate topic should be set up to deal with that, just a suggestion that I thought might be less stressful for you, or not... ?
However you decide, may you be well
"She wanted to LIVE" R.I.P. "Braveheart"
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To the Buddha-refuge i go; to the Dhamma-refuge i go; to the Sangha-refuge i go.
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Thank you, Mr Man.Mr Man wrote:But to keep things accurate no one has said "all men are rapists" so where is the intransigence?Modus.Ponens wrote:. Mawkish defending that not all men are rapists was met with intransigence.
Yes, no one has said all men are rapists, so if I said I did, it would be a lie.
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I feel for you. I have had the same experience here.Annapurna wrote:Ok, guys,
I feel unfairly attacked.
Yes i agree and often the victim is left isolated or perceives it to be that way.Violence against others can have many faces.
Sometimes it's rape, and sometimes, it's distorting of what others said.
It's always violence, however subtle, but don't blame me.
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manas wrote:Anna, I do not think that any men here meant to make you feel under attack in any way. But maybe, in light of this topic being originally a tribute page for a courageous woman now deceased, that if we wish to continue any more contentious discussion - with, I hope, the aim of mutual understanding between all - that maybe a separate topic should be set up to deal with that, just a suggestion that I thought might be less stressful for you, or not... ?
However you decide, may you be well
Dear Manas,
thank you. ♥
Sorry, I've been crying and a little upset...
Yes, this topic was started as a tribute page.
I have started this topic.
I posted a big, huge heart of candles that took me almost forever to shape... but I wanted to devote it to her.
I can understand her so well, because it could have happened to me too.
It could happen basically, to all of us, especially the women and children.
As to your suggestion, of a new topic, I am not sure about what, but I certainly do not wish to "continue a contentious discussion", I am hurt that it developped in this way here and I am asking some members to be a bit more sensitive and read what I really said.
Many replies here were truly beautiful and heartwarming and yes. Very, very Nice. Thank you all.
Anna
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Yes, biology... There is this immense muscle strength in men, with which they can lift up a woman from the ground and can carry her, just like women can pick up a child and carry it.SamKR wrote:Yes. Men and Women all should remain cautious of others (especially Men). Why? Because my impression is that Men are more impulsive than women; I guess that has something to do with biology.Mr Man wrote:Within Man there are undoubtedly strong passions. Wouldn't it be wise for all of us to remain cautious?
Cautious but with Metta, of course.
There is this biological difference in the amount of strength and how it's used...
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daverupa wrote:All men are potential rapists, probably, is the idea of note.Mr Man wrote:But to keep things accurate no one has said "all men are rapists" so where is the intransigence?Modus.Ponens wrote:. Mawkish defending that not all men are rapists was met with intransigence.
It may be arguable, but it's selected for via operant conditioning to be the safest way to walk through a city. Sexual dimorphism suggests that forced sex probably has a long pedigree in human history.
The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, is recommended reading.
Thank you, Daverupa. Yes...absolutely, POTENTIAL rapists, not because they all have it in them, but you never know who you meet, he could be anything, potentially.
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Thank you.Billymac29 wrote:Folks... First of all it's factual data in the US ----> There are more men rapist than women by a landslide...period. Look it up if you don't believe me.. In my state of New Jersey the crime data shows over 90% of rapes were committed by males.The thing I was refering to was when Mawkish said "Just thought it was worth saying" and other members denied it was worth saying what he said.
No Mawkish1983 this is incorrect.. Read up on your english. "nature of man" is perfectly acceptable in the way it was used by annapurna.To suggest that one should be cautious of the 'nature of man' is plainly, simply, wrong.
may all be well
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I already have, on page 2 and 3. Shows you didn't even read my posts, but pass judgements.Modus.Ponens wrote:
Maybe Annapurna should clarify if she meant "nature of men" or "nature of Man". From context it seems like it's the first one and that is more discrimination.
This is not ok.
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He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "
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I would like to say just two things.
First, I am VERY sorry and saddened for the death of the young woman in question and the horror she went through. This thread should be closed on that note.
Secondly, the underlying discussion on the unequal power of men and women and the resultant issues SHOULD be talked about...but not in this thread.
I offer metta to all in this thread and suggest that any discussion outside this poor woman in question be held for another thread.
Metta
First, I am VERY sorry and saddened for the death of the young woman in question and the horror she went through. This thread should be closed on that note.
Secondly, the underlying discussion on the unequal power of men and women and the resultant issues SHOULD be talked about...but not in this thread.
I offer metta to all in this thread and suggest that any discussion outside this poor woman in question be held for another thread.
Metta
Sabba rasam dhammaraso jinati
The flavor of the dhamma exceeds all other flavors
The flavor of the dhamma exceeds all other flavors
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Well said, Sambojjhanga.Sambojjhanga wrote:I would like to say just two things.
First, I am VERY sorry and saddened for the death of the young woman in question and the horror she went through. This thread should be closed on that note.
Secondly, the underlying discussion on the unequal power of men and women and the resultant issues SHOULD be talked about...but not in this thread.
I offer metta to all in this thread and suggest that any discussion outside this poor woman in question be held for another thread.
Metta
Its time this thread was closed.
kind regards,
Ben
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..