James the Giant wrote:If they did access the first few Jhanas, nothing in that experience would disagree with a Christian world-view.
Dhammanando wrote:Given the tendency of jhāna to powerfully reinforce whatever diṭṭhi (right or wrong) prompts the person to strive for it, one would expect them to be even more Christian (or at least more Papist) afterwards,
More Christian I can see, but more Papist I doubt, if Catholic authorities were deadly critical of her claims.
Dhammanando wrote: In St. Teresa's case it's noteworthy that her rabid fulminations against Jews and Lutherans were all written subsequent to her mystical experiences; they are not juvenilia, but the works of her 'mature' years.
Dang. That attitude would surprise me, as it doesn't jive with 'Interior Castle', the only book I read. Sort of hoping her fulminations were strongly prompted by Inquisitors.
Will check the Cousins link later.
Coyote wrote:You might want to read a bit about Hesychasm and the uncreated light - these kind of experiences have been part and parcel of Christian mysticism since before the first millennia...
I'd like to see which Christian traditions still practice these meditations--Carmelites maybe?
Coyote wrote:But just because they experience concentration, lights, rapture ect. doesn't necessarily make it genuine jhana, though it all seems to be based on the same principles - seclusion, refraining from immorality, deep focus on one object or sound.
I reckon T of A had frequent and definite 1st jhana without mastery. Any highter jhana sort of entails the intentional dropping of specific lower factors, which she doesn't appear to have tried. All random in the hands of God.
I liked her combination of the spring-water Pitis with the moist bath-salt ball; and her Mahamudra reference i.e. soft wax impressed by the King's seal.
This 'Interior Castle' is the clearest christian meditation instruction I've seen. Philokalia might also be good...it's been so long now.
Does John of the Cross describe anything similar besides in Dark Night o Soul? Where are Meister Eckhart's best instructions?