Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
- DNS
- Site Admin
- Posts: 17191
- Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 4:15 am
- Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, Estados Unidos de América
- Contact:
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
No, I don't agree with you (Jay1). I agree with LY that those superstitious things are essential in many other religions, not Buddhism. The Dhamma is about suffering and the way out of suffering.
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
Sure. I have other things I need to do right now and so little time. So let's settle on disagreeing on the Christian part, although we do agree that Buddhism as whole is not exempt, coolDavid N. Snyder wrote:No, I don't agree with you (Jay1). I agree with LY that those superstitious things are essential in many other religions, not Buddhism. The Dhamma is about suffering and the way out of suffering.
- Modus.Ponens
- Posts: 3853
- Joined: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:38 am
- Location: Gallifrey
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
Either you're trolling, something I find very likely reading your posts; or you didn't form a correct logical argument, because I never said buddhism was exempt from violence.
'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' - Jhana Sutta
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
"The buddhist inquisition is well known. "Modus.Ponens wrote:Either you're trolling, something I find very likely reading your posts; or you didn't form a correct logical argument, because I never said buddhism was exempt from violence.
- Khalil Bodhi
- Posts: 2250
- Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:32 pm
- Location: NYC
- Contact:
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
-Dhp. 183
The Stoic Buddhist: https://www.quora.com/q/dwxmcndlgmobmeu ... pOR2p0uAdH
My Practice Blog:
http://khalilbodhi.wordpress.com
-Dhp. 183
The Stoic Buddhist: https://www.quora.com/q/dwxmcndlgmobmeu ... pOR2p0uAdH
My Practice Blog:
http://khalilbodhi.wordpress.com
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
Oh, I see, I am a troll because I disagree. Please forgive me for pointing out that Buddhism is not special, it has its extraordinary beliefs and its violent followers just like any religion. How hard can it be for yal to understand this simple fact? I will continue on my Buddhist path as before* but this site is obviously filled with, albeit well-meaning, ignorant people. Honestly, I've met more humble, reasonable atheists in atheist's forums!
I guess,
* Thankfully, I realized the truth of the Buddhist's teachings before I joined this site.
I guess,
* Thankfully, I realized the truth of the Buddhist's teachings before I joined this site.
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
Jay, you're welcome here like anyone else is (so long as they follow the T.O.S.), but I'd be careful about saying things like this. As you are familiar with the Buddha's teachings, you would also know that the Buddha was in favour of good manners and etiquette. I've been interested in (and, in my own imperfect way, cultivating) the Dhamma over about 20 years, yet I find that here there are many people who know a lot more about it than I do. 'Ignorant' is not the right word.Jay1 wrote:... I will continue on my Buddhist path as before* but this site is obviously filled with, albeit well-meaning, ignorant people...
* Thankfully, I realized the truth of the Buddhist's teachings before I joined this site.
To the Buddha-refuge i go; to the Dhamma-refuge i go; to the Sangha-refuge i go.
- LonesomeYogurt
- Posts: 900
- Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:24 pm
- Location: America
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
You're not pointing out that Buddhism "isn't special"; you're trying to equate Buddhism and Christianity as being equally flawed or superstitious or violent or destructive, and you're doing it in a weirdly tone-deaf manner. You're more than welcome to challenge or criticize us, but posting common-knowledge facts about types of Buddhism none of us practice or just calling us arrogant is not the way to do it.Jay1 wrote:Oh, I see, I am a troll because I disagree. Please forgive me for pointing out that Buddhism is not special, it has its extraordinary beliefs and its violent followers just like any religion. How hard can it be for yal to understand this simple fact? I will continue on my Buddhist path as before* but this site is obviously filled with, albeit well-meaning, ignorant people. Honestly, I've met more humble, reasonable atheists in atheist's forums!
I guess,
* Thankfully, I realized the truth of the Buddhist's teachings before I joined this site.
The fact is, Buddhism is less violent and superstitious, both in theory and in practice, than Christianity. I'll change my mind when you can show me the verse in the Dhammapada where the Buddha says, "As surely as I live forever, when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders," like your God did in Deuteronomy; when you find a discourse where the Buddha prescribes the death penalty for disobedient children or homosexuals, I promise I'll redact the statement.
As for superstition, it's true that both our religions have holdovers from a time where people did not understand how the world really worked - the difference is that Buddhism has largely abandoned those things while most Christians haven't. If you are a Christian and you have abandoned the 6,000 year-old Earth or the virgin birth or many of the other untrue statements in the Bible, then I commend you! But sadly, you're in the minority.
So please, continue to constructively criticize anything we say, really - but don't pretend that Buddhism has anything close to the history of violence, oppression, and hatred that other religions or Gods that you follow do.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
Stuff I write about things.
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.
Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.
His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta
Stuff I write about things.
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
Legend, myth, and magic make for a better story than technical concepts of meditation theory.
It seems to me a lot was added in order to popularize what would otherwise be technical, psychological material.
The Buddha's awakening, for instance, if told as an encounter with Mara is much more accessible and vivid than if described as a process of gaining insight into the casual chain of "dependent arising"
It seems to me a lot was added in order to popularize what would otherwise be technical, psychological material.
The Buddha's awakening, for instance, if told as an encounter with Mara is much more accessible and vivid than if described as a process of gaining insight into the casual chain of "dependent arising"
- Monkey Mind
- Posts: 538
- Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
- Location: Pacific Northwest, USA
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
The clip is really brief. Does anyone know what season and episode this is?tiltbillings wrote:
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.
Sutta Nipāta 3.710
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.
Sutta Nipāta 3.710
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
- Monkey Mind
- Posts: 538
- Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
- Location: Pacific Northwest, USA
Re: Not wanting to be off-topic elsewhere
So the religion referenced in the clip is Picardianity, and any similarities to actual religions, alive or dead, is a coincidence.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.
Sutta Nipāta 3.710
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.
Sutta Nipāta 3.710