Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

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Just a few of some of the positive things MJ contributed to the world:

1. We are the World
2. USA for Africa
3. Man in the Mirror
4. Earth Song
5. Heal the World
6. Over $300 million donated to Black-American charities

[christopher:::]

I watched the video for "Man in the Mirror" last week, for the first time... showed it to my students... very powerful...

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Man In The Mirror
Michael Jackson

Ooh ooh ooh aah
Gotta make a change
For once in my life
It's gonna feel real good
Gonna make a difference
Gonna make it right

As I turned up the collar on
A favorite winter coat
This wind is blowin' my mind
I see the kids in the street
With not enough to eat
Who am I to be blind
Pretending not to see their needs

A summer's disregard
A broken bottle top
And a one man's soul
They follow each other
On the wind ya' know
'Cause they got nowhere to go
That's why I want you to know

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change, yey
Na na na, na na na, na na na na oh ho

I've been a victim of
A selfish kinda love
It's time that I realize
There are some with no home
Not a nickel to loan
Could it be really pretending that they're not alone

A willow deeply scarred
Somebody's broken heart
And a washed out dream
(Washed out dream)
They follow the pattern of the wind ya' see
'Cause they got no place to be
That's why I'm starting with me

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change

[Annapurna]

Those that jump on this opportunity to follow the urge to find fault and spread dislike, seem (to me) to be as smitten with MJ as are his fans.
MJ was impermanent, his bad behavior - impermanent. He may not have been perfect, but dukkha arises from our own negative reactions, not from MJ. If you read the news that MJ is dead and the reaction is the urge to spread dislike about the things he did that you do not approve of, it means negativity is still deeply rooted.
Thank MJ for bringing this to light because as the Dhammapada teaches:

Easily seen are the faults of others,
Hard indeed to see are one's own
—Dhammapada 252-3

[Annapurna]

Michael Jackson is gone. I hope folks will focus more on the positive work he left behind then the negative. He didn't start any wars or cut down rainforests. At times he seemed confused of his identity, seemed to be wrestling with his desires, which may have seemed like inner demons.

How many of us haven't walked that road at some time?

R.I.P.

He protested against the rainforests being cut down, dolphins drowning in nets, seal babies getting skinned alive, elefant mothers and babies getting shot for their tusks, senseless wars, racial discrimination.

He reached so many more people and appealed to the highest in them than any of those who feel so high above him, yet having unprocessed stuff themselves, like aversion, bias and lack of understanding and affection.

How may of us haven't walked that road at some times?

Everybody does.

Read this:

From a mental health colleague:

"Michael Jackson was a highly sensitive kid and adult, chronically abused as a child and his whole life was about having his boundaries chronically violated in one sense or another.

Then as a major celebrity, virtual nonexistence of privacy and defense from the boundary challenges, hence the myriad forms of "masking"" and escape, and transformation urges.

Possibilities for intimacy with any adult: zero. Consequent loneliness: massive.

Since intimacy was not possible, probably sex wasn't of much interest, except as convenient source of procreation. The only people in his perception to not violate him: children. For him, everyone else was a predator.

Emotional escape: the simple world view of a child, and his own artistic creativity, behaving like a child, and drugs.

Little opportunity for keeping within some form of normal lines from receiving environmental feedback, so his own internal reality was its own test, going wherever it went.

Sad guy. Incredible music and dancing, I loved his stuff. Correction: do love his stuff."

May he have come back soon and have an auspicious rebirth. He was a truly remarkable human being.


Metta,

Nurseholistic

[Journey]

I watched the video for "Man in the Mirror" last week, for the first time... showed it to my students... very powerful...

phpBB .

Man In The Mirror
Michael Jackson

Ooh ooh ooh aah
Gotta make a change
For once in my life
It's gonna feel real good
Gonna make a difference
Gonna make it right

As I turned up the collar on
A favorite winter coat
This wind is blowin' my mind
I see the kids in the street
With not enough to eat
Who am I to be blind
Pretending not to see their needs

A summer's disregard
A broken bottle top
And a one man's soul
They follow each other
On the wind ya' know
'Cause they got nowhere to go
That's why I want you to know

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change, yey
Na na na, na na na, na na na na oh ho

I've been a victim of
A selfish kinda love
It's time that I realize
There are some with no home
Not a nickel to loan
Could it be really pretending that they're not alone

A willow deeply scarred
Somebody's broken heart
And a washed out dream
(Washed out dream)
They follow the pattern of the wind ya' see
'Cause they got no place to be
That's why I'm starting with me

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer


If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change

[thecap]

Greetings,

Firstly, I want to apologise to anyone who was offended ...

It was neither the time and place ...

This attachment and clinging ...

Hence, at thecap's invitation, I decided to think ...

Metta,
Retro.

If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change

Man in the mirror!

[Annapurna]

I watched the Dangrous tour onTV.

He sang this song.

Nearly everybody in the audience began to sob.

[christopher:::]

While i think we should try to be nonjudgmental about Michael Jackson, putting ourselves in his shoes, i think that courtesy should also be extended to folks who feel some aversion towards him, when there are sensible reasons for that.

Is aversion always a "bad" thing? As a parent with 2 sons, there are situations that i try to steer them clear of, that i have taught them to "avert."

You don't go into rooms alone with adults, where the door is closed. How some parents could allow their kids to be alone with Michael, is a mystery to me.

I would have an "aversion" to my sons walking into a room with any adult on this planet, alone, where the door is closed.

I don't feel its right to judge Michael Jackson for this, but i can understand how he pushes a natural protective button in many sincerely caring parents...

Still, there is no "proof" that he ever did anything wrong, and the past is gone.

phpBB .

[Journey]

While i think we should try to be nonjudgmental about Michael Jackson, putting ourselves in his shoes, i think that courtesy should also be extended to folks who feel some aversion towards him, when there are sensible reasons for that.

Is aversion always a "bad" thing?

I never was a Michael Jackson fan. I am a fan of not spreading negativity.
Spreading negativity is always harmful, it creates more negativity. Aversion is not helpful, acknowlegement is.
Aversion harms. Dhamma courtesy is pointing this out.

Aversion comes to manifestation either in thoughts of ill will — as angry, hostile, or resentful thoughts; or in thoughts of harming — as the impulses to cruelty, aggression, and destruction. Thoughts of good will counter the former outflow of aversion, thoughts of harmlessness the latter outflow, in this way excising the unwholesome root of aversion itself.

Right Intention (Samma Sankappa)Bhikkhu Bodhi


Nidana Sutta: Causes

A person unknowing:
the actions performed by him,
born of greed, born of aversion,
& born of delusion,
whether many or few,
are experienced right here:
no other ground is found.

So a monk, knowing,
sheds
greed, aversion, & delusion;
giving rise to clear knowledge, he
sheds
all bad destinations

[Annapurna]

While i think we should try to be nonjudgmental about Michael Jackson, putting ourselves in his shoes, i think that courtesy should also be extended to folks who feel some aversion towards him, when there are sensible reasons for that.

Is aversion always a "bad" thing? As a parent with 2 sons, there are situations that i try to steer them clear of, that i have taught them to "avert."

You don't go into rooms alone with adults, where the door is closed. How some parents could allow their kids to be alone with Michael, is a mystery to me.

I would have an "aversion" to my sons walking into a room with any adult on this planet, alone, where the door is closed.

I don't feel its right to judge Michael Jackson for this, but i can understand how he pushes a natural protective button in many sincerely caring parents...

Still, there is no "proof" that he ever did anything wrong, and the past is gone.

i think that courtesy should also be extended to folks who feel some aversion towards him, when there are sensible reasons for that.

What journey said.

Is aversion always a "bad" thing? As a parent with 2 sons, there are situations that i try to steer them clear of, that i have taught them to "avert."

You don't go into rooms alone with adults, where the door is closed.

That's not aversion,that's caution...

I would have an "aversion" to my sons walking into a room with any adult on this planet, alone, where the door is closed.

I'd say you feel concerned & protective, not aversion.

How some parents could allow their kids to be alone with Michael, is a mystery to me.

Yes. there you have a point. However, some either knew nothing bad would happen, and some thought: "Oh, money, money, money...let's see how to get some. Let's blackmail the guy. He will pay. He's got a reputation to lose." And initially that strategy may have paid off well.

Look at me. I am a private teacher, should I am now be concerned a male pupil could accuse me of seduction? What if??? How could I ever prove I didn't?

My reputation and livelihood would be destroyed forever, like Michaels.

And people would say: "She is a sick pedophile".

Some would say: "She was too innocent and naive, she just enjoyed helping children."

It would give me insomnia and migraine.

I would take sleeping pills and painkillers to be able to go to work.

One day, whilst exerting myself over work, I would collapse in my house, and be found by a friend "not breathing".

The city would gossip about me, and badmouth me, most of those wouldn't even know what I looked like and never heard me speak a word. Total strangers.

Yet they would be convinced: She abused a boy.

Why?

Do we assume in others that, what we carry within ourselves?

[thecap]

While i think we should try to be nonjudgmental about Michael Jackson, putting ourselves in his shoes, i think that courtesy should also be extended to folks who feel some aversion towards him, when there are sensible reasons for that.

Here I don't agree, friend. There are no sensible reasons for hate. Avoiding a person is one thing; having aversion for a person however is a manifestation of one's hate. It causes distress and puts an end to discernment. It's abandonment is recommended out of compassion. Na hi verena veráni sammantídha kudácanam; verena ca sammanti esa dhammo sanantano. (Hate can never be stilled by hate, but by non-hate alone.) Living beings are the results of their conditions. Thus how we perceive others tells more about ourselves than about the world.

[Journey]

There are no sensible reasons for hate. Avoiding a person is one thing; having aversion for a person however is a manifestation of one's hate. It causes distress and puts an end to discernment. It's abandonment is recommended out of compassion. Na hi verena veráni sammantídha kudácanam; verena ca sammanti esa dhammo sanantano.

[mikenz66]

I'm getting a little confused about this conversation.

Clearly Michael Jackson was a talented entertainer, brought joy to many people, and did some good charity work.

I enjoyed his performances. Some people don't. I don't see any problem with people having different preferences about entertainers.

Quite a lot of musical entertainers have died in my lifetime whose work I have enjoyed at some level:
Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, John Lennon, Keith Moon, Ian Curtis, Ian Drury, Kurt Kobain, Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles, John Bonham, Johhny Cash, Michael Brecker, Michael Jackson.
I'm sure most readers here don't care for the performance of at least some of them...

May all of them have good rebirths...

Metta
Mike

[Ben]

Hi Mike

I'm getting a little confused about this conversation.

You're not the only one!

Clearly Michael Jackson was a talented entertainer, brought joy to many people, and did some good charity work.

I enjoyed his performances. Some people don't. I don't see any problem with people having different preferences about entertainers.

Quite a lot of musical entertainers have died in my lifetime whose work I have enjoyed at some level:
Jimi Hendrix, Elvis, John Lennon, Keith Moon, Ian Curtis, Ian Drury, Kurt Kobain, Miles Davis, Frank Sinatra, Ray Charles, John Bonham, Johhny Cash, Michael Brecker, Michael Jackson.
I'm sure most readers here don't care for the performance of at least some of them...

May all of them have good rebirths...

Metta
Mike

Thanks for returning some common sense to this thread.
Metta


Ben

[retrofuturist]

Greetings Annabel,

I hope you didn't take Michael Jackson's "crotch framing" seriously?

Let's be honest, that was pretty disturbing.

He did that on stage

Precisely my point, he should have saved it for the bedroom.

Metta,
Retro.