Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:16 pm

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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:37 pm

Great post, Retro!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:56 pm


Dear members

I think its about time that this thread is returned to topic so that members can memorialise Michael Jackson. This thread is not limited to those who are fans of Michael Jackson and all members should appreciate that there are differences of taste and opinion.

Posts that seek to argue for or against his reputed musical genius, wholesomeness, sanity or some other personal characterstic are considered off-topic and will be removed without warning. Members who repeatedly post off-topic material maybe subject to disciplinary action.

This is also a reminder that the terms of service, particular the guideline regarding right speech, is in operation and members who flagrantly breach the guidelines may attract moderator attention and disciplinary action.
Thanks for your cooperation.
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:34 pm

As you wish. But,how, Ben are we to "memorialise" Michael Jackson, if we are not allowed to speak about his achievements?

Let's try the Dhamma aproach then.

Let us think of Michael Jackson, who sang songs that exposed greed as the source of suffering in songs like the earthsong.

How dolphins are drowning in nets which catch more fish than others. Greed causes sentient beings harm, and he pointed at that, appealeed to us to make a change and start with th man in the mirror. That was compassion and wisdom.

He reminded us of how elephant mothers and cubs are shotdown to steal their tusks. Greed. Theft. Cruelty, killing, precepts broken, and he showed that it causes suffering ad that we need to stop.

How rainforest trees fall everyday because our greed.

How ethnic minorities die in wars, because of aversion and hate.

How racial discrimination should be overcome because it causes suffering.

"It doesn't matter if you're black or white."

We had a person here whose lyrics contained what the Buddha taught, so, as Christopher::: said, here or elsewhere, we can make a choice, and either focus on the good, on the virtue ,on the inspiration, compassion and wisdom he had, or we can choose harmful negativity and point at his alledged failings.

I always chose to focus on the light he offered, which was obvious, in contrast to the alledged crimes he got aquitted of.

Hope that was a politically correct memorialisation, as I have no idea what should be other than to avoid mudslinging which is what I will always object to. I'd rather focus on the good he gave..

Which I always have, so I guess Ben's red letters were not adressed to me.

Is not so important anyways, if my words are understood by others or not.
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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:06 pm

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Re: Michael Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009)

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:17 pm

And with that let's close this topic. Everyone has had their say on this topic. There clearly were some issues with his lifestyle and mental state and as duly noted, there has been some good and charitable activities done by MJ. Let him Rest in Peace as we rest this topic.
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