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Petty second, Orbison third. Without Bob there'd prolly be no Harrison or Petty--Orbison could prolly stand alone though.That's a pretty big call... have you ever heard of George's old band?danieLion wrote:Without Bob there'd prolly be no Harrison
Well as a non-Bob fan, I know exactly what you mean, and it's the reason I don't like his music.... which isn't to say that he doesn't write good songs. The Mighty Quinn is an awesome song, for example... it's just best when performed by Manfred Mann as opposed to by Bob himself.manas wrote:But his voice doesn't seem to match that greatness, do people know what I mean?
Yep that's how I see it also. Agree about The Mighty Quinn, which is a gem of a song. Anyway I guess it's a matter of personal taste.retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Manas,
Well as a non-Bob fan, I know exactly what you mean, and it's the reason I don't like his music.... which isn't to say that he doesn't write good songs. The Mighty Quinn is an awesome song, for example... it's just best when performed by Manfred Mann as opposed to by Bob himself.manas wrote:But his voice doesn't seem to match that greatness, do people know what I mean?
Metta,
Retro.
Thank you for explaining that. I did wonder if it was intentional or not.SDC wrote:He sang that way as a form of style. He adopted it from the folk scene, most notably from Roscoe Holcomb. He could hit notes just fine but it was the style of hitting the note that caused some to assume he lacked the ability. It's not for everyone but he hit the notes.
Never heard of 'em.retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
That's a pretty big call... have you ever heard of George's old band?danieLion wrote:Without Bob there'd prolly be no Harrison
They were called The Beatles.
Metta,
Retro.
He could hold a pitch. Several of his recordings and performances demnstrate this. I think he was just lazy or otherwise didn't care or had a bad night. It's also a matter of taste. Opera singers are supposed to be the best in the world at holding a picth but I can't stand Opera.manas wrote:This is probably the only opportunity I will ever get to ask this question, as I don't frequent musical forums, so... to die hard fans of Bob Dylan: does the fact that he could not hold pitch, not bother you at all? I mean, I agree that he had a rare and outstanding gift for writing lyrics, he was and is indeed a great poet. But his voice doesn't seem to match that greatness, do people know what I mean?
metta
art is very subjective for the creator and the receiver...i love classical music, but put an opera singer in their and i'm outta there...manas wrote:
I think I might find it difficult partly because I come from the classical tradition, where sound quality is very important. For example, if anyone has heard of Maria Callas, I mean her voice was virtually like an earthbound Goddess when at her peak. After listening to singers like that over the years, it was hard when starting to also explore popular and folk styles, to appreciate a voice like Dylan's. Believe it or not I did try! And I liked his lyrics, and what he stood for. All of that, awesome. Just could not handle the vocal style, but 'each to his own'...
(i'm also a singer/songwriter/recording artist and quite a perfectionist--and i have some classical training, even in voice, so i get where you're coming from. IDK Bob does it for me, but he does. I also like Neil Young a lot, but i don't try to emulate him or Bob--my range is too tenor/baritone)Same here, so far as your average opera singer goes. I hate a forced, overly belted out sound with excessive, wobbly vibrato. My mentioning of Callas was a bit out of place, because in the opinion of many, she outshone most other classical operatic singers. Her voice wasn't forced, and the vibrato was perfectly under her control (when she was at her best, that is). But yeah in general opera was never really my thing, I much preferred symphonies, sonatas and piano music, to people getting dressed up and belting it out.danieLion wrote:He could hold a pitch. Several of his recordings and performances demnstrate this. I think he was just lazy or otherwise didn't care or had a bad night. It's also a matter of taste. Opera singers are supposed to be the best in the world at holding a picth but I can't stand Opera.manas wrote:This is probably the only opportunity I will ever get to ask this question, as I don't frequent musical forums, so... to die hard fans of Bob Dylan: does the fact that he could not hold pitch, not bother you at all? I mean, I agree that he had a rare and outstanding gift for writing lyrics, he was and is indeed a great poet. But his voice doesn't seem to match that greatness, do people know what I mean?
metta
and discuss the travelling wiburies lolI don't think it's laziness. As others have said, he made/makes use of a variety of styles, and that ragged sound it part of the style. Blues-based singing is more about timing and tone than notes.danieLion wrote:He could hold a pitch. Several of his recordings and performances demnstrate this. I think he was just lazy or otherwise didn't care or had a bad night. It's also a matter of taste. Opera singers are supposed to be the best in the world at holding a picth but I can't stand Opera.manas wrote:This is probably the only opportunity I will ever get to ask this question, as I don't frequent musical forums, so... to die hard fans of Bob Dylan: does the fact that he could not hold pitch, not bother you at all? I mean, I agree that he had a rare and outstanding gift for writing lyrics, he was and is indeed a great poet. But his voice doesn't seem to match that greatness, do people know what I mean?
metta
Speaking of which:Like a Rolling Stone wrote:How does it feel?
Dylan's contemporaries in 1965 were both startled and challenged by the single. Paul McCartney remembered going around to John Lennon's house in Weybridge to hear the song. According to McCartney, "It seemed to go on and on forever. It was just beautiful ... He showed all of us that it was possible to go a little further." Frank Zappa had a more extreme reaction: "When I heard 'Like a Rolling Stone', I wanted to quit the music business, because I felt: 'If this wins and it does what it's supposed to do, I don't need to do anything else ...' But it didn't do anything. It sold but nobody responded to it in the way that they should have."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Rolling_Stone
Neil Young wrote:First time I heard 'Like A Rolling Stone'
I felt that magic and took it home
Gave it a twist and made it mine
But nothing was as good as the very first time
Poetry rolling off his tongue
Like Hank Williams chewing bubble gum
Asking me 'how does it feel'?
Mike