Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:22 pm

I can't imagine how it could be bad thing and am glad that NY recognizes such unions. I think that it gives committed individuals important protections under the law and makes many things much more simple and straightforward (estate planning, end of life decision making, etc.). So, I give it a resounding "Yay"
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby Anagarika » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:48 pm

I live in the United States, and it never made any sense to me at all that a court could find a constitutional basis to deny a same sex marriage. Our legal history has always placed extreme importance on the right of privacy, and within that right a number of other rights affecting families. We also have an Equal Protection Clause, which disallows treating one recognized class of people differently from another. Our Declaration of Independence, which we celebrate this week, declares that all people have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Yet, because the US has weirdly evolved from a country founded on escaping religious oppression, into a world leader in Christian religious oppression, we still struggle with marriage equality issues. Yesterday, a conservative Christian NGO director was claiming on NPR that children raised by gay parents suffer developmentally. The host of the program cited the APA's and other studies that show that kids thrive in gay families just as well as in straight parent families. The Xtian then stated that he had other studies, but refused to define what studies he was referring to. In other words, he had his reasons to hate and discriminate, but couldn't cite a competent basis for his bias.

It's really significant that in a 5-4 decision, the DOMA was stricken from our law. The 5-4 decision also tells us that the Supreme Court was just one vote away from affirming this country as one of the most deluded on the planet, in terms of mixing fundamentalist religion with politics and law.
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby Vern Stevens » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:06 pm

I would say it should be legally permissible. However, i don't see gay marriage as good or bad as a concept, it really depends on the couple, just as in heterosexual marriages.

I just think the government's role in marriages should be very limited. I realize the government has a role in determining what types of activity are contractable, and they mediate contract disputes, but providing financial incentive to encourage marriage and having children goes too far for my tastes.
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:15 pm

It's a good thing. I write to my legislators and governor all the time asking them to legalize gay marriage. In Nevada we have quickie marriages, some that can even be done by drive-thru, so besides the ethical, equality issues, I mention the economic impact it could have in helping tourism as gay couples will travel here for quick marriages the same way heterosexual couples do that right now.

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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby SDC » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:43 pm

Very good thing.

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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby Coyote » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:47 pm

Vern Stevens wrote:
I just think the government's role in marriages should be very limited. I realize the government has a role in determining what types of activity are contractable, and they mediate contract disputes, but providing financial incentive to encourage marriage and having children goes too far for my tastes.


In an ideal situation IMO, marriage would be a private institution and have nothing to do with the state. But to deny state benefits to same-sex couples while that isn't the case is just wrong.
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?

Postby Vern Stevens » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:41 pm

Coyote wrote:In an ideal situation IMO, marriage would be a private institution and have nothing to do with the state. But to deny state benefits to same-sex couples while that isn't the case is just wrong.


I think our views are not far apart. However, I do see a legitimate state interest in the sense that a marriage has a legal contractual component to it. I think the state does have an interest in determining which types of contracts are legally allowable. So, IF one agrees that the state has an legitimate interest in contracts, the secondary component is contract resolution and/or enforcement. I know some people hold that these functions could be handled by private institutions, but even if they did, their rules would still have to come under some kind of state guidelines for consistency's sake.

But yes, I don't see how the state has any interest in saying that this set of consenting adults can marry but this set of consenting adults cannot, when set is based on race, sex, religion, etc. Likewise, I don't think married couples (hetero or homo-sexual) should be rewarded by the state for their marriage and / or having children. Single people shouldn't be "punished" for remaining single.
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