Sounds like BodhGaya has been considered as a target for a while:
Held terrorists had revealed plans to bomb BodhGaya
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 88506.aspx
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Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terrorist attack?
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If some one reject and goes against Buddha's teaching, so he is not a Buddha disciple.Will wrote: Most Buddhists are not like the few Arhans who follow the Saw Sutta. They will defend themselves and even take preemptive actions against the Muslims.
Those who go fight and kill others, are not disciples, but the shame of Buddha's name.
IMO.
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Re: Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terror attack?
Man detained over BodhGaya bomb blasts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23222495
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-23222495
With metta,
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This is really sad, and odd that it was little reported in the west. I really hope there is no retaliation and that things don't escalate because of this.
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Re: Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terror attack?
Human nature being what it is, we can only hope.Coyote wrote:This is really sad, and odd that it was little reported in the west. I really hope there is no retaliation and that things don't escalate because of this.
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Re: Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terror attack?
Noble notion Martin - does it apply to Islamic terrorists who blow up innocents? Are they not Muslims? They certainly think they are good Muslims - they quote chapter and verse from the Koran & the Hadith in support of their Jihad.Martin Po wrote:If some one reject and goes against Buddha's teaching, so he is not a Buddha disciple.Will wrote: Most Buddhists are not like the few Arhans who follow the Saw Sutta. They will defend themselves and even take preemptive actions against the Muslims.
Those who go fight and kill others, are not disciples, but the shame of Buddha's name.
IMO.
With karuna.
Is the Dhamma a purely pacifist religion?
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
Re: Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terror attack?
It is not for you to say who is or is not a Buddhist. Shaolin monks not Buddhist? Mongolia not Buddhist? Gurkhas not Buddhist? I'm sick of Westerners in their 'cosy Californian studios' passing judgement on matters about which they know absolutely nothing.Martin Po wrote:If some one reject and goes against Buddha's teaching, so he is not a Buddha disciple.
Those who go fight and kill others, are not disciples, but the shame of Buddha's name.
The same goes for Blackbird's comments about Wirathu, describing him as 'fascist' and a 'nazi'. Have you been to Rakhine state Blackbird, or met Wirathu, have you even read anything written by him? I have yet to read a single Western media report that correctly portrays Rohingya as armed separatists funded by Saudi Arabia. Wirathu did not describe himself as 'Bin Laden' nor have monks led mobs against Muslims, it is simply Arakanese attacking Bangladeshi land-grabbers.
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As far as the teaching of the Buddha is concerned, absolutely. There is no question about it.Will wrote: Is the Dhamma a purely pacifist religion?
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If some buddhists are afraid to die, to disapear, to ceasse existance - they have to change their Teacher and Teaching and preache attachemen to self, attachement to soul, attachement to exstance, attachement to views, attachement to form, attachement to feeling, attachement to perception, attachemet to mental formations, attachement to consciousness.Will wrote:
Noble notion Martin - does it apply to Islamic terrorists who blow up innocents? Are they not Muslims? They certainly think they are good Muslims - they quote chapter and verse from the Koran & the Hadith in support of their Jihad.
Is the Dhamma a purely pacifist religion?
Islamic terrorist (and other military organisations) suffer, and their suffering of existance, based on self-belief, push them to make such evil actions.
If you, and others, are not able to compassion, not able to detachement, not able to wisdom, but able to hate, able to self-preaching, able of killing, so they are traitors of Buddha, shame of Buddha, not worthy of gift, not worthy of hospitality, not worthy of offerings, worthy of respect.
It's a shame.
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If there is 4 Noble TruthRaksha wrote:It is not for you to say who is or is not a Buddhist. Shaolin monks not Buddhist? Mongolia not Buddhist? Gurkhas not Buddhist? I'm sick of Westerners in their 'cosy Californian studios' passing judgement on matters about which they know absolutely nothing.Martin Po wrote:If some one reject and goes against Buddha's teaching, so he is not a Buddha disciple.
Those who go fight and kill others, are not disciples, but the shame of Buddha's name.
The same goes for Blackbird's comments about Wirathu, describing him as 'fascist' and a 'nazi'. Have you been to Rakhine state Blackbird, or met Wirathu, have you even read anything written by him? I have yet to read a single Western media report that correctly portrays Rohingya as armed separatists funded by Saudi Arabia. Wirathu did not describe himself as 'Bin Laden' nor have monks led mobs against Muslims, it is simply Arakanese attacking Bangladeshi land-grabbers.
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Re: Nine blasts in Bodhgaya this morning: terror attack?
I don't believe you find this line of thinking reflected in the Suttas. The Buddha allowed monks to strike back to defend themselves. You don't find the Buddha advising pacifism or taking anti-war stances during discussions with kings either.Sekha wrote: As far as the teaching of the Buddha is concerned, absolutely. There is no question about it.
Surely we can't allow extremist groups to just do as they please? Killing, believing they are doing good and will be rewarded for doing so, and wiping out entire cultures in the process. Is it better to kill a small group of people and prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands or to just let things work themselves out. If we take the 'let things work themselves out' approach we have to be realistic and willing to accept that the evil group will in fact eliminate all other groups, come to power, and rule permanently. It's a very tough subject. The reality of the world we live in is that any society that adopts a purely pacifistic approach to worldly interactions will surely be wiped from existence. This world is samsara. It always will be.
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PS: i'am from some region of the world where was some terrorist attacs. In my own town, on the public place, where my mother used to work, there was one explosion; in the neighbor town, town of some members of my family, there was explosion of some entire 10-floors buildings.
Never in my mind there was a mental formation based on hate or killing, and never i would like to go and kill islamic terrorist, i even read the Coran, and have many of musim friends. I have just change country with my family.
I know what i'am speaking about.
Never in my mind there was a mental formation based on hate or killing, and never i would like to go and kill islamic terrorist, i even read the Coran, and have many of musim friends. I have just change country with my family.
I know what i'am speaking about.
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Is this a joke?marc108 wrote: I don't believe you find this line of thinking reflected in the Suttas. The Buddha allowed monks to strike back to defend themselves. You don't find the Buddha advising pacifism or taking anti-war stances during discussions with kings either.
"There is the case, student, where a woman or man is a killer of living beings, brutal, bloody-handed, given to killing & slaying, showing no mercy to living beings. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, hell. If, on the break-up of the body, after death — instead of reappearing in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, hell — he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is short-lived wherever reborn. This is the way leading to a short life: to be a killer of living beings, brutal, bloody-handed, given to killing & slaying, showing no mercy to living beings.
"But then there is the case where a woman or man, having abandoned the killing of living beings, abstains from killing living beings, and dwells with the rod laid down, the knife laid down, scrupulous, merciful, & sympathetic for the welfare of all living beings. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in a good destination, in the heavenly world. If, on the break-up of the body, after death — instead of reappearing in a good destination, in the heavenly world — he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is long-lived wherever reborn. This is the way leading to a long life: to have abandoned the killing of living beings, to abstain from killing living beings, to dwell with one's rod laid down, one's knife laid down, scrupulous, merciful, & sympathetic for the welfare of all living beings.
"There is the case where a woman or man is one who harms beings with his/her fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in the plane of deprivation... If instead he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is sickly wherever reborn. This is the way leading to sickliness: to be one who harms beings with one's fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives.
"But then there is the case where a woman or man is not one who harms beings with his/her fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in a good destination... If instead he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is healthy wherever reborn. This is the way leading to health: not to be one who harms beings with one's fists, with clods, with sticks, or with knives.
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still better than becoming the evil group oneself without even realizing it.marc108 wrote: If we take the 'let things work themselves out' approach we have to be realistic and willing to accept that the evil group will in fact eliminate all other groups, come to power, and rule permanently. It's a very tough subject.
And what about the Asokan empire? Do you mean that war is justified by the evilness of people on the other side? Is it not the exact same logic they are using and that make you label them as "evil"?marc108 wrote: The reality of the world we live in is that any society that adopts a purely pacifistic approach to worldly interactions will surely be wiped from existence.
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no, and the quoted Sutta passage doesn't imply social pacifism. I'm not talking about non-violence as taken up by the practicing Buddhist as a personal practice, but a social concept and practice.Sekha wrote: Is this a joke?
what you're saying relies on presupposition that defending oneself causes one to become an evil group... which isn't true. really... think deeply about the issue i presented then give a response. how does one handle a group bent on wiping out an entire culture? would pacifism have worked against the nazis? should we in fact, take a pacifistic approach towards extremist mulsim groups and allow them to take over the entire world, destroy all other religions, enact worldwide sharia law?still better than becoming the evil group oneself without even realizing it.
Yes, exactly. You cant put a modern extremist group into the same pile as a society that wants to defend itself from needless murdering and eventual annihilation. These are not the same thing.Do you mean that war is justified by the evilness of people on the other side? Is it not the exact same logic they are using and that make you label them as "evil"?
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