Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Kim OHara » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:39 am

Hi, guys,
We've actually been :offtopic: since http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18675#p262300 and we have drifted a long way from the politics of the UK. The situations in Thailand and Israel are quite different from the UK and Australia and I'm not qualified to comment on them, so how about we get :focus:

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby purple planet » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:02 pm

I almost dont know nothing about uk politics - but isnt the Conservative Party against "mercy killing" and abortions ? that is a very buddhist way of thinking

before i was in to buddhism i was not 100% sure but defiantly leaning towards supporting mercy-killing and abortions - that was my "atheist view" but after getting "in to" buddhism i now am 50-50 on the subject

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Dhammanando » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:36 pm

purple planet wrote:I almost dont know nothing about uk politics - but isnt the Conservative Party against "mercy killing" and abortions ?


Not really. In all the mainstream parties these sort of things would be treated as issues of conscience. As such, any changes in legislation concerning them would be via private members' bills (as opposed to being official policy, with voting to be enforced by party whips). Having said that, one would expect to find more individuals opposed to abortion in the Conservative Party than in the other parties, simply because the party has a higher proportion of practising Christians and Jews than the other parties, and the commonest grounds for opposing abortion are religious ones.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-17535/Torys-anti-abortion-stance-slammed.html
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby clw_uk » Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:16 pm

purple planet wrote:I almost dont know nothing about uk politics - but isnt the Conservative Party against "mercy killing" and abortions ? that is a very buddhist way of thinking

before i was in to buddhism i was not 100% sure but defiantly leaning towards supporting mercy-killing and abortions - that was my "atheist view" but after getting "in to" buddhism i now am 50-50 on the subject



IMO its more unethical to enforce my ethics on others, in certain areas

Abortion and euthanasia should be legal, themselves being up to the individual.



As for uk politics, it had been rather boring. The wheel of power always changing hands from conservative to labour (and now new labour, which is just a capitalist party now) with occasional noises from the liberal democracts.


I say was as the political landscape seems to be changing now, with the rise of UKIP (further right than the conservatives, aims for withdrawal from the EU) and smaller parties gaining votes, such as the greens.

Personally I see a greater influence for the Neo-nazi "British National Party", much to my dismay.


Shame the communist and socialist parties don't seem to be making as much headway as the old parties fall back. There does seem to be more interest in Marx in Wales ATM among working people, possibly because of the economic slump and the ineptitude of "new labour". However Wales has always had a strong socialist slant anyway, mostly because of the mines.


Would be nice to see the monarchy removed, and have a Union of Socialist Republic's, comprised of a socialist republic of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland ... but I digress :tongue:
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby chownah » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:17 am

Kim OHara wrote:Hi, guys,
We've actually been :offtopic: since http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=18675#p262300 and we have drifted a long way from the politics of the UK. The situations in Thailand and Israel are quite different from the UK and Australia and I'm not qualified to comment on them, so how about we get :focus:

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Kim

The op asked if there was a party that would promote Buddhist ideals..........I think my post directly addresses that issue. To restate my point, If you think that some political party is going to take Buddhist ideals to the election booth and actually make some fundamental change in society, then you are dreaming.......much better to get rich......money influences politics way way way more than votes..........politics is not about changing society......it is about who will get to take the biggest piece of the pie while keeping things going in exactly the same direction.......if voting could change things it would be made illegal.......really, it would.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby clw_uk » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:27 am

The op asked if there was a party that would promote Buddhist ideals..........I think my post directly addresses that issue. To restate my point, If you think that some political party is going to take Buddhist ideals to the election booth and actually make some fundamental change in society, then you are dreaming.......much better to get rich......money influences politics way way way more than votes..........politics is not about changing society......it is about who will get to take the biggest piece of the pie while keeping things going in exactly the same direction.......if voting could change things it would be made illegal.......really, it would.


Unless you are the Bolshevik party or the Communist party of China ...
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby purple planet » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:54 am

Want to add an important thing in my opinion - you should vote for who you think is less worse but if your not sure who is less worse then its best not to vote at all

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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:59 am

purple planet wrote:Want to add an important thing in my opinion - you should vote for who you think is less worse but if your not sure who is less worse then its best not to vote at all
Maybe it would be a good idea to educate oneself about the candidates and issues.
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Still Searching » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:48 pm

I am trying to avoid judgement but I do strongly disagree with the Conservative Party.
David Cameron has caused a lot of problems with UK and making all these cuts and increasing taxes is making the economy go down hill.
Students are struggling because they can't afford equipment for classes, people are struggling to find homes because landlords want more rent, women are prostituting because they're not earning enough money to provide for their families, people commit suicide due to debt from their creditors.

I vote for Green!
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Re: Buddhism and the UK Conservative Party

Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:05 am

josh71188 wrote:In a recent conversation with a Buddhist friend, she confessed that she believes the UK Conservative Party tend to promote inequality, greed and selfishness and thus confessed she could never bring herself to vote for them. This has led me to consider which, if any, UK political party hold values that reflect my own Buddhist inspired views. As such, I was wondering if any UK Buddhists out there had ever voted or intened to vote Conservative in a general election?


I wouldn't, though at times I feel disillusioned with the whole political class, and politics generally.
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