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Life on other planets

Postby clw_uk » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:36 pm

Was just wondering if member's here believe that there is life on other planets, sentient and non-sentient?


Personally I do, although I cant know for sure of course
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Mindstar » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:48 pm

You can count me in on the believer side. Maybe in the not too distant future we will know for sure.
A most interesting future seems to lie ahead, lets wait and see...

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Re: Life on other planets

Postby PadmaPhala » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:36 pm

my immediate past life was in a habitable planet orbiting Pleione, in buddhist cosmology it is called deva namanarati.
so yes, due to first hand experience there's life on other planets.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:17 pm

PadmaPhala wrote:my immediate past life was in a habitable planet orbiting Pleione, in buddhist cosmology it is called deva namanarati.
so yes, due to first hand experience there's life on other planets.


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Re: Life on other planets

Postby purple planet » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:39 pm

PadmaPhala wrote:my immediate past life was in a habitable planet orbiting Pleione, in buddhist cosmology it is called deva namanarati.
so yes, due to first hand experience there's life on other planets.



:jawdrop:


:rofl:

when i first heard about the ability to remember past lives and how when you have improved concentration you can do it - it sounded very logical (even though im a skeptical person) and then i assumed its pretty common for people to remember - but while reading for instances this forum i understand its not the case and people can have threads arguing about whether there past lives or not -

so im very interested to hear (and im sure others are too) more details about your past life - when remembered them - how it felt ect ...
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby PsychedelicSunSet » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:48 pm

In my opinion, the universe is far to vast for us to be the only life out there.




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Re: Life on other planets

Postby BlackBird » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:37 am

Supossed attainment revelations and past life rememberance aside:

I read about a mathematical equation to come up with the probability of the number not only of earth like planets, but of intelligent life having had time to evolve upon it, the probability is overwhelmingly in favor of it being so. Just take our galaxy for instance: There are 300 billion stars, and NASA reckons a fifth of them have at least one planet within the goldylocks zone. Now if even only a 10th of those planets actually have any forms of life on them, that's still a gigantic number, and then remember you have to multiply it out by the number of galaxies in the universe, if life evolved here on Earth, its so damn probable that it verges on a near certainty that life exists on other planets, and at least a fraction of that is intelligent. But the galaxy is a very vast place, to say nothing of the universe. We are so infintesimally small, humans could die out many times over and not one other alien civilization could be aware of our existence

Iirc there is mention here and there in the Suttas of other world systems. I've seen the term 'thousand fold world system' being used, and I have always taken this to refer to our galaxy or a portion thereof. Minor discrepancies noted, I do not find science and Dhamma via the suttas to be in any way irreconcilable.

Edit: here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby pilgrim » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:52 am

It'll be interesting to know what an advanced civilisation thinks of the Buddha Dhamma. On the other hand, they could be technologically advanced but still worship some weird alien god with 11 heads.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby BlackBird » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:57 am

pilgrim wrote:It'll be interesting to know what an advanced civilisation thinks of the Buddha Dhamma. On the other hand, they could be technologically advanced but still worship some weird alien god with 11 heads.


I think the Dhamma has probably arisen in other civilizations too at some point in the infinite history of sangsara, after all anicca dukkha and anatta are equally applicable no matter where you are in the universe.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Mkoll » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:00 am

And for those who'd like to watch, here is the late, great Carl Sagan from his documentary TV series Cosmos presenting the Drake equation.


Cosmos is somewhat dated but still a lovely introduction to astronomy.

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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:55 pm

clw_uk wrote:Was just wondering if member's here believe that there is life on other planets, sentient and non-sentient?


Given the mind-boggling number of solar systems in the universe, I'd say it's a certainty. I'm hoping for a visit soon... ;)
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:58 pm

BlackBird wrote:I read about a mathematical equation to come up with the probability of the number not only of earth like planets, but of intelligent life having had time to evolve upon it, the probability is overwhelmingly in favor of it being so. Just take our galaxy for instance: There are 300 billion stars, and NASA reckons a fifth of them have at least one planet within the goldylocks zone. Now if even only a 10th of those planets actually have any forms of life on them, that's still a gigantic number, and then remember you have to multiply it out by the number of galaxies in the universe, if life evolved here on Earth, its so damn probable that it verges on a near certainty that life exists on other planets, and at least a fraction of that is intelligent.


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Re: Life on other planets

Postby ES06 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:13 pm

BlackBird wrote:
pilgrim wrote:It'll be interesting to know what an advanced civilisation thinks of the Buddha Dhamma. On the other hand, they could be technologically advanced but still worship some weird alien god with 11 heads.


I think the Dhamma has probably arisen in other civilizations too at some point in the infinite history of sangsara, after all anicca dukkha and anatta are equally applicable no matter where you are in the universe.

That is true, of course. But minds of aliens would also be, well, alien. So, Buddhist practices may not work for them. Or would they understand suffering in the way we do?
However, it would certainly be interesting to know what aliens would think about our religions.

About the question: life is natural phenomenon, so there is no reason to assume that it exists only on one single planet in the universe.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Mindstar » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:52 pm

ES06 wrote:However, it would certainly be interesting to know what aliens would think about our religions.


I just want to drop another message, you might find an answer to your question there ;)

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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Jetavan » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:30 pm

Mkoll wrote:And for those who'd like to watch, here is the late, great Carl Sagan from his documentary TV series Cosmos presenting the Drake equation.


Cosmos is somewhat dated but still a lovely introduction to astronomy.

:popcorn:

It's been updated.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:37 pm

I can't watch that particular link, not being in the US. However, I would echo the sentiment that Sagan's Cosmos is a truly amazing series. Some of the science has since moved on, but his explanations are among the very best ever, such as his very clear exposition of how the diameter of the earth was measured by the ancient Greeks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JHEqBLG650

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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Kare » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:13 pm

ES06 wrote:However, it would certainly be interesting to know what aliens would think about our religions.



They just love them. All our religions are their creations ... :rofl:
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:00 pm

I do believe. However given the Fermi Paradox it may not be as friendly out there as we would hope.
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby SamKR » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:29 pm

clw_uk wrote:Was just wondering if member's here believe that there is life on other planets, sentient and non-sentient?

I do believe that there is life on other planets and/or dimensions as much as I believe that there was this life in the past too (past lives & rebirth).
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Re: Life on other planets

Postby Jetavan » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:48 pm

mikenz66 wrote:I can't watch that particular link, not being in the US.

This might work:

A generation later, Sagan's legacy lives again in "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey," a 21st-century reboot premiering on Fox tonight (March 9). The new "Cosmos" (the original was billed as "A Personal Journey") updates its predecessor with a blend of spectacular visual effects and the latest astronomical discoveries.

Yet the all-new 13-episode series — hosted by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, a fitting successor to Sagan for reasons the first episode makes clear — still stays true to the north star as Sagan's original: to share the wonder of the universe and science with viewers today. The people behind the new series think Sagan would be proud.
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