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And therefore, God does not exist!

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Postby Babadhari » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:22 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Postby David N. Snyder » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:49 pm

The title of the thread includes God with a capital G thus, it is reasonable to assume this is referring to the typical Western view of God as the all-powerful Creator, not the impermanent devas capable of producing akusla actions like any other worldly being.

Paschal's Wager and other notions of the use of the term God also assume an all-powerful Creator, so the quotes and points made showing that the Buddha Dhamma has no such notion are completely appropriate.
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I think a lot of folk probably consider devas and other requisite denizens of the cosmic worldview of the Nikayas to have some significance in and of themselves, in large measure because such beings and their cosmological orders have been so very important in the history of Western thinking about such matters. So proofs can feel important.

But the point in terms of Dhamma practice, as I see it, is that whatever cosmological structure may obtain, it is the case that an ethical dimension underpins that structure. Theisms tend to demand a reversal of this, such that the ethical order emanates from a Godhead which underpins it. But as the Dhamma describes, godlings et al appear when conditions are correct, according to the underpinning ethical order, and are not essences which exist apart. God cannot exist in this latter scenario.

This is the key issue: not whether or not there are other beings such as these, but whether or not they are (correctly) seen as inevitably beholden to the same ethical order as all other beings. Who cares if there really are e.g. hungry ghosts or not; the important thing is to recognize the common causative ethics of samsara for any beings which obtain, & not necessarily to recognize particular ontological emplacements.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:38 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Postby andyebarnes67 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:53 pm

New to this thread so forgive me for not continuing it's stream.
'God' or 'gods' can mean so many different things to different people that I think it difficult to discuss unless all are speaking of the same conceptual framework.
However, as regards a creator 'god', I can't but reflect that if dualism is an impermanent state of affairs, then there simply can't be a creator God.
How can God have created everything since whatever s/he creates can't include s/he-self since s/he pre-existed. S/he must be outside of 'everything', which is therefore not everything.
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