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I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:23 pm

The original buddha knew what he was and so did every buddha before him and since.

Jesus knew what he was and so did every Jesus before and since.

Socrates knew what he was and so did every Socrates before and since.

Free men know they are free.

Only a buddha can talk about buddhism, the rest talk about the history of buddhism. Only a free man can talk about freedom, can see what is free and what is not. The rest talk about a freedom that does not exist outside themselves.

Following someone who is not free to freedom is a waste of time.

All hierarchies are false, do not participate in them. There are no steps to freedom,there is only freedom and self.

All culture is false, all ceremonies are false, all appearances are false, all traditions are false. the past and future are false, what is repeated by word or ink is false.

This has never been before and never will again for it is dead.

You will either spend your short life free, or spend it wallowing in hope.

Good luck.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby plwk » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:35 pm

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So tilt, how long ya think this one will last? :mrgreen:
Bhikkhus, if you develop and make much this one thing,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.
What is it? It is recollecting the Enlightened One.
If this single thing is recollected and made much,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Crazy cloud » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:47 pm

gben wrote:
Only a buddha can talk about buddhism, the rest talk about the history of buddhism.
Good luck.


Nice try, but Lord Buddha did not talk about buddhism - he talked about the four noble truths and "the path"

Be well and happy, my fine feathered friend ;)
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Re: I am a "buddha"

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby waterchan » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:09 pm

plwk wrote:So tilt, how long ya think this one will last? :mrgreen:


Not as long as the Christ Consciousness one, I wager.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Sam Vara » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:10 pm

There are no steps to freedom,there is only freedom and self.


Fredom and what?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:18 pm

plwk wrote:So tilt, how long ya think this one will last?
Damdifino.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:21 pm

Isn't that a fishing resort in Liguria....?

Oh no, I apologise.

That's PORTOfino..... :tongue:

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby ArkA » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:00 pm

gben wrote:The original buddha knew what he was and so did every buddha before him and since.

Otherwise we wouldn't call him as the Buddha!

gben wrote:Jesus knew what he was and so did every Jesus before and since.

They say "Jesus is coming". We can figure it out then. ;)

gben wrote:Only a buddha can talk about buddhism, the rest talk about the history of buddhism.

Not only the buddha, so do those who realised the Path

gben wrote:Following someone who is not free to freedom is a waste of time.

“Cunda, that one who is himself sinking in the mud should pull out another who is sinking in the mud is impossible; that one who is not himself sinking in the mud should pull out another who is sinking in the mud is possible. That one who is himself untamed, undisciplined, [with defilements] unextinguished, should tame another, discipline him, and help extinguish [his defilements] is impossible; that one who is himself tamed, disciplined, [with defilements] extinguished, should tame another, discipline him, and help extinguish [his defilements] is possible.”

-Majjhima Nikaya 8, Saleyyaka Sutta (abridged, copied from page 72)

gben wrote:
All hierarchies are false, do not participate in them. There are no steps to freedom,there is only freedom and self.

All culture is false, all ceremonies are false, all appearances are false, all traditions are false. the past and future are false, what is repeated by word or ink is false.

They are conventions. Some need them some don't.
I'll restart my yearlong meditation retreat on 15th June 2014, hence will not be here.

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- Anguttara Nikaya, 3.131, Paticchanna Sutta

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby SamKR » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:24 pm

gben wrote: Free men know they are free.

That's true. But the problem is that many not-free men also 'know' they are free.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:31 pm

Welcome to Dhamma Wheel . . . I think.

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:36 pm

"Welcome to my Mother-in-Law.

And you are.

Welcome to her."

(Les Dawson)
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby purple planet » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:43 pm

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Thu May 01, 2014 3:15 pm

Sam Vara wrote:Fredom and what?


Freedom and Self, there are no other modes. There are no degrees or levels of freedom, you are free or you are not.

There is no dimmer switch, only an on and off position. The watch shows only the present time.

Don't give time or money to those selling time or hierarchies.

Until the switch is flipped you are no closer or further from anything.

The free can flip the switch at will, the free can be light or dark at will as is required.

The light is always there, the switch turns the dark on or off, the self on or off, the thought on or off.

You were born in the light and lost in the dark. You forgot where the switch is. When you remember where the switch is you will turn off the self and see the world again.

Finding the switch is your only priority. You will find it when you no longer wonder where it is or what it is.

Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby gben » Thu May 01, 2014 3:23 pm

SamKR wrote:
gben wrote: Free men know they are free.


That's true. But the problem is that many not-free men also 'know' they are free.


gben wrote: The rest talk about a freedom that does not exist outside themselves. .
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Thu May 01, 2014 5:14 pm

gben wrote:
Sam Vara wrote:Fredom and what?


Freedom and Self, there are no other modes. There are no degrees or levels of freedom, you are free or you are not.
There is no dimmer switch, only an on and off position.

<snip>

Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.


What you say is true.
But I can't help but think, "You must be the life and soul at parties"..... :juggling:

:toast:

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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu May 01, 2014 5:55 pm

TheNoBSBuddhist wrote:
gben wrote:
Freedom and Self, there are no other modes. There are no degrees or levels of freedom, you are free or you are not.
There is no dimmer switch, only an on and off position.


What you say is true.
But I can't help but think, "You must be the life and soul at parties"..... :juggling:

:toast:

:namaste:


Only when his switch is "on"
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Sam Vara » Thu May 01, 2014 6:11 pm

gben wrote:
Sam Vara wrote:Fredom and what?



Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.


This is intriguingly gnomic, but I've got my little daughter's birthday party to plan. What should I do?
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Thu May 01, 2014 8:07 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Only when his switch is "on"

Of course! Now why didn't I think of that - ?! :jumping:

Sam Vara wrote:
gben wrote:
Sam Vara wrote:Fredom and what?

Never think unless it helps the continuity of life, all other thoughts are destructive.

This is intriguingly gnomic, but I've got my little daughter's birthday party to plan. What should I do?


Make someone else do it.... And no, i'm not volunteering. Trust me, I didn't even have to think about THAT! :rolleye:
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Re: I am a "buddha"

Postby Viscid » Thu May 01, 2014 8:26 pm

The gist of gben's ideas about Self and Freedom don't seem wrong. The problem is when we dress such ideas up with romantic, metaphorical language and then cling to those insights as being evidence of one's superiority (in this case, gben's insight convinces him that he's a buddha.) The problem with seeing yourself as some enlightened being is that it distorts self-evaluation: no longer do you merely have 'ideas,' but 'revelations' and 'transcendent wisdom,' authority out of thin air. This narcissistic prism is antithetical if your intent is to simply see the way things are.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James
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