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Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby plwk » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:10 am

Thai police say they have charged five defrocked Buddhist abbots with sexually abusing eight boys at monasteries around the northern city of Chiang Mai.
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby manas » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:51 am

If those former monks are found to have been guilty of this crime, I hope that justice actually gets done, and they get a lengthy prison sentence. Childhood sexual abuse has a devastating impact on the child, and the effects usually last well into adulthood. Some have to deal with the after-effects for their entire lives. I really feel for the kids, what a terrible betrayal of trust.

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Mkoll » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:16 am

Talk about bad kamma...
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:14 am

plwk wrote:Thai police say they have charged five defrocked Buddhist abbots with sexually abusing eight boys at monasteries around the northern city of Chiang Mai.


Five "so-called monks" in the photo looks young, I don't know what the Buddha's guideline, but to become an abbot there should be some maturity and development at least IMHO. Not being a monk, even my grandson has better ethics caring for other humans for his young age. Curious to see about their teachers too...

All over the web we read a lot about corrupted monks from Thailand, but don't think they are alone:

The main force behind this Sangha Council is a political movement called 'Jatika Heḷa Urumaya (National Sinhalese Heritage)', which consists of members from both clergy and laity, who grasp race and religion in an extreme way. In 2011, one senior member of this movement, an ex-member of Parliament, the abbot of Srī Vivekārāmaya, Mīrigama, Ven. (Aparekke) Paññānanda, was arrested for severe sexual abuses of five under-age (between 10 to 14 years) novice monks in his temple. Ven.[?] Paññānanda had confessed his crime to the court. Are such bhikkhus protecting The Buddha's teachings or destroying it?

- fn.# 391 on pg.# 106


It's clear these monks have no love towards the Buddha and no respect towards his Dhamma, should we even call them as "monks"? May be they just put the robe simply to disgrace it by doing bad things as monks. Because, after reading stories about "monks" like this old bhikkhu, it's very difficult to use the same term for those.
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Mkoll » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:22 am

The main force behind this Sangha Council is a political movement called 'Jatika Heḷa Urumaya (National Sinhalese Heritage)', which consists of members from both clergy and laity, who grasp race and religion in an extreme way. In 2011, one senior member of this movement, an ex-member of Parliament, the abbot of Srī Vivekārāmaya, Mīrigama, Ven. (Aparekke) Paññānanda, was arrested for severe sexual abuses of five under-age (between 10 to 14 years) novice monks in his temple. Ven.[?] Paññānanda had confessed his crime to the court. Are such bhikkhus protecting The Buddha's teachings or destroying it?
Definitely an elementary question.
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:23 am

Denisa wrote:Five "so-called monks" in the photo looks young, ...

I think that the samaneras in the photo are supposed to represent the abused, not the abusers...

And I've now removed the photo to avoid confusion...

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:38 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Denisa wrote:Five "so-called monks" in the photo looks young, ...

I think that the samaneras in the photo are supposed to represent the abused, not the abusers...


Thank you, but it's misleading. Abusers are "five Buddhist abbots", and the victims were "eight boys". The picture shows "five Buddhists monks/abbots".

EDIT: Also from the link in the 1st post:
Monks in Thailand, where some 95 percent of the population are practising Buddhists, have been hit by a series of scandals, with local media reporting cases of drug-taking, drinking, gambling and visiting prostitutes.

In September, authorities seized nearly $800,000 worth of assets, including a Porsche and a Mercedes-Benz, from a monk who was defrocked for a controversial trip in a private jet and who was also accused of fathering a child by an under-aged girl a decade earlier.


Come to touch with this beautiful teaching by the Buddha, but see what these foolish people do, what a waste, what a waste!!
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:50 am

I guess plwk couldn't find a suitable stock picture of 8 samaneras to illustrate the post...

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:42 am

There is much happening in the East (Both Middle- and Far-) that arouses disquiet, uneasiness and distaste, with regard to sexual assaults and perversion towards minors/women.

It seems prevalent in societies where children are afforded no respect, and women are regarded as chattels.

it's quite distressing, to be sure.
However, let us not ride to high upon our horses.... The UK, of all the countries in Europe, has too high a number of cases of domestic abuse. The highest, in fact.

It's easy for us British to stand in condemnation of such external atrocities, while gamely ignoring the outrageous record of similar crimes here.
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby plwk » Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:45 am

I guess plwk couldn't find a suitable stock picture of 8 samaneras to illustrate the post...

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Kusala » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:53 am

264. "Not by shaven head does a man who is indisciplined and untruthful become a monk. How can he who is full of desire and greed be a monk?"

266. "He is not a monk just because he lives on others' alms. Not by adopting outward form does one become a true monk."

270. "He is not noble who injures living beings. He is called noble because he is harmless towards all living beings."
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:05 am

plwk wrote:
I guess plwk couldn't find a suitable stock picture of 8 samaneras to illustrate the post...

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Read my mind mike, tks. Next time, I will just post bare news...


A picture is OK, if it's directly related to the news, especially in this kind of one. Otherwise it'll offend those venerables in the picture whom has nothing to do with the mentioned news.

I wonder what will happen if we attach mikenz66's or TheNoBSBuddhist's face to it! :) And thanks Kusala for posting from Dhammapada.

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:14 am

....Why pick on us....?! :jawdrop:

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(In truth, I could no more behave in such a way as I could imagine making love to a mushroom....)

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby Denisa » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:31 am

That's my point. Nobody likes their picture appear in news that they are not connected to, especially one in this nature.
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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:41 am

I've removed the photo, on the off-chance someone looks at the thread and recognises those samaneras...

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Re: Buddhist monks charged with child abuse in Thailand

Postby greeneggsandsam » Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:48 pm

Denisa wrote:
plwk wrote:Thai police say they have charged five defrocked Buddhist abbots with sexually abusing eight boys at monasteries around the northern city of Chiang Mai.


Five "so-called monks" in the photo looks young, I don't know what the Buddha's guideline, but to become an abbot there should be some maturity and development at least IMHO. Not being a monk, even my grandson has better ethics caring for other humans for his young age. Curious to see about their teachers too...



I think this is a good point. To my knowledge I don't this sort of thing is common in the west (if,at all). I think perhaps it could be due to ordination not seen as such a big thing for a thai person - not to say anything about the dedicated ones like ajahn chah (or non-western person). I have heard of parents sending their kids for ordination just to 'sort them out'. In my experience in Australia, I think if I told my parents/ friends I was ordaining they would get a big shock.

Not to make a general assumption but I think as a western person (most of the time) ordination is due to mostly internal factors -

and in non-western (buddhist) countries (sometimes) ordination is due to external factors - more socially acceptable, family, more social status etc etc.

And also it seems to be in monasteries full of money and power (like the ones in big capital cities). I have a sri lankan friend and the monk from a monastery in colombo lives close by ( a very wealthy area and I believe he drives a porsche if I recall correctly).
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