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do not do...

Postby genkaku » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:23 pm

An old saying in Zen -- or perhaps in all of Buddhism for all I know -- suggests

Do not do as the master did. Know what the master knew.

What's your view of such a suggestion?
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Re: do not do...

Postby Jechbi » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:09 pm

To me it points to the role of understanding as part of the kamma that we create. And then, of course, the cessation of kamma should be known.
Rain soddens what is kept wrapped up,
But never soddens what is open;
Uncover, then, what is concealed,
Lest it be soddened by the rain.
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Re: do not do...

Postby PeterB » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:07 pm

I dont know if this distinction matters Adam, but I dont think that there is a Theravada view of the master which is analogous to the Zen view of the master.. Which means that the queston possibly addresses a non-issue in terms of the Theravada ? Or at least a different set of issues. Possibly.
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Re: do not do...

Postby genkaku » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:12 pm

PeterB wrote:I dont know if this distinction matters Adam, but I dont think that there is a Theravada view of the master which is analogous to the Zen view of the master.. Which means that the queston possibly addresses a non-issue in terms of the Theravada ? Or at least a different set of issues. Possibly.


You're probably right, Peter. Actually, Buddhism strikes me as just one possibility. In life, I imagine people choose all sorts of masters, all sorts of gods, all sorts of beliefs ... and the suggestion strikes me as useful, assuming anyone wanted to lead his or her own life.
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Re: do not do...

Postby pink_trike » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:30 pm

Everyone's Dharma path is necessarily unique, but all Dharma leads to the same recognition. Doesn't matter how someone else got across the river, what matters is what they discovered along the way and on the other side.
Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: do not do...

Postby Aloka » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:40 pm

pink_trike wrote:Everyone's Dharma path is necessarily unique, but all Dharma leads to the same recognition. Doesn't matter how someone else got across the river, what matters is what they discovered along the way and on the other side.



Indeed.

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Re: do not do...

Postby appicchato » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:28 pm

genkaku wrote:Do not do as the master did. Know what the master knew.


If we knew what the master knew we'd be doing what the master did...
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Re: do not do...

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:58 pm

Greetings bhante,

Sadhu!

:anjali:

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: do not do...

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:06 am

pink_trike wrote:Everyone's Dharma path is necessarily unique, but all Dharma leads to the same recognition. Doesn't matter how someone else got across the river, what matters is what they discovered along the way and on the other side.


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