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In the Buddha's Words

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In the Buddha's Words

Postby Stiphan » Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:32 pm

I hear a lot of people mention this book. What is it? Is a collection of suttas; commentaries?

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby bodom » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:03 am

The best introduction to the suttas of the pali canon in my opinion.

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby Tex » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:11 am

"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:13 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby bodom » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:25 am

In the introduction bodhi stated that his purpose in writing this book was two fold: first for those who are not yet acquanted with the suttas who feel the the need for a systematic introduction as the "Nikayas apear to be like a jungle - entanglng and bewildering, full of unknown beasts like the ocean". Second is for those "already acquanted with the suttas who still cannot see how they fit together in an intelligable whole. Individual suttas are comprehensible in themselves. but the texts in there totality appear like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle scattered across a table". This book has definitely helped me in those two regards. I dont feel it necessary anymore to read all of the nikayas after reading this book. Plus it can get quite expensive collecting all those "albums" lol.

:namaste:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:35 am

Greetings BBB,

Thanks for the summary of Bhikkhu Bodhi's intent behind the compilation.

Just be mindful though that as with any other selected compilation of suttas, you will be getting that particular editor or translaters view of the Pali Canon and what is important to them... and as we know from interacting with others, the degree to which certain people prioritise different suttas (let alone the Pali Canon as a whole) means we should at least be aware that BB is providing a systematic framework that accords to his understanding, not the systematic framework that is in any way official, absolute or exclusively correct.

To keep with the music analogy, pop into a forum of one of your favourite bands and start up a conversation on what tracks should be on the "ultimate greatest hits CD"... see if you can find any 2 people who agree on both the tracks and the sequencing!

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

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Mettāya,
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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:54 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:05 am

Hi Retro,

There is certainly a difference is feel, but my point was that the SN is the only place where there is much value in reading Suttas sequentially. I'm most familiar with the MN, and there are various ways of approaching that, including Bhikkhu Bodhi's talks (which were the basis of the structure of "In the Buddha's Words"), and reading lists by Shaila Catherine which we've used locally to study it.

Of course, there's nothing to stop you just reading the Nikayas in sequence, but if you do that then, apart from a few groupings, the topics are largely in a random sequence (apart from in the SN).

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:30 am

i just wish he woundnt use words like niggardly... seriously, modern translation bodhi, modern
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Re: In the Buddha's Words

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:03 pm

Greetings Tilt,

On that point then, how much of the book is "In The Buddha's Words" and how much in Bhikkhu Bodhi's words in the form of modern commentary (ignoring any footnotes for now).

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: In the Buddha's Words

Postby BlackBird » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:38 pm

That photo made me smile Bhante

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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -


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