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Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:15 am

I often notice that people who dish out a lot of criticism (of others) are proportionally unable to accept any criticism (of their own person).

This is astonishing, when you think of karma.

Inevitably, if you criticize others, openly, repeatedly, passionately, -in other words, if you expose others, without caring about their reactions, is it not to be expected, that eventually you get some karmic repercussion?

It seems odd to me to weigh with different scales.

"I may criticise, but others may not criticize me."

I can't wrap my mind around this. What's behind this?

Any thoughts?

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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby PeterB » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:18 am

" with a soldiers stance I aimed my hand at the phoney dogs who teach
fearing not to become my own enemy in the instant that I preach.."

B. Dylan. " My Back Pages".
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby BlackBird » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:02 am

Maybe it's self view

"Look at me way up here aren't I marvellous."

:anjali:
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Clueless Git » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:07 am

PeterB wrote:" with a soldiers stance I aimed my hand at the phoney dogs who teach
fearing not to become my own enemy in the instant that I preach.."

B. Dylan. " My Back Pages".

I sat my monkey on a log and ordered him to do the dog
he wagged his tail and shook his head then went and done the cat instead

B. Dylan also (Rainy Day Women I think?)

Totally irrelevant to the topic but, for reasons I would a need a whole conference of phychiatrists to unravel, I find that hilariously funny!

:lol:

Anyways ... :focus:
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby PeterB » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:12 am

So do I CG

" he's a weird monkey,
real funky. "

:smile: So do lots of psychiatrists I know.
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:16 am

PeterB wrote:" with a soldiers stance I aimed my hand at the phoney dogs who teach
fearing not to become my own enemy in the instant that I preach.."

B. Dylan. " My Back Pages".


Peter, I confess, my grammar skills are hopelssly overchallenged, hopefully not my intellectuals as well!

Goodness...!!! :jumping:

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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:17 am

BlackBird wrote:Maybe it's self view

"Look at me way up here aren't I marvellous."

:anjali:


That has crossed my mind as well, Blackbird. :anjali:
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Clueless Git » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:22 am

Annabel wrote:"I may criticise, but others may not criticize me."

What's behind this?

Any thoughts?

Anna

That "we may do unto others as we would not have others do unto us" is a mantra practiced every meal time for well over 90% of the population Anna.

That a frame of thinking (NON-thinking, more accurately) so frequently practiced manifests itself so frequently in other aspects of life is not very surprising really.
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:03 am

Well, what can I say...
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:38 am

Hi Annabel
Annabel wrote:I can't wrap my mind around this. What's behind this?

Your mind must realise its cling-wrap nature!
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby adamposey » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:50 pm

When is it acceptable to criticize another person though? Never? I think it would be hard to function in the world without ever being truthfully, constructively, critical of any being.
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:56 pm

Not just hard Adam but very unhealthy. Remembering the "truthful and constructive " bit of course.

The Buddha was known to be very critical of some peoples behaviour. He even said that their behaviour was the behaviour of " fools ".
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Jechbi » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:44 pm

Annabel wrote:I often notice that people who dish out a lot of criticism (of others) are proportionally unable to accept any criticism (of their own person).

...

I can't wrap my mind around this. What's behind this?

To me it makes perfect sense. The guiding principle is aversion. The person has aversion to others, aversion to the truth about oneself, aversion to criticism, and on and on.

btw, in the rounds of samsara, I have no doubt that we've all been there, done that. This is a mindstate we all know all too well, imho.
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Uncover, then, what is concealed,
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Vardali » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:14 pm

Jechbi wrote:
Annabel wrote:I often notice that people who dish out a lot of criticism (of others) are proportionally unable to accept any criticism (of their own person).

...

I can't wrap my mind around this. What's behind this?

To me it makes perfect sense. The guiding principle is aversion. The person has aversion to others, aversion to the truth about oneself, aversion to criticism, and on and on.

btw, in the rounds of samsara, I have no doubt that we've all been there, done that. This is a mindstate we all know all too well, imho.


Good point, I tend to agree.
Plus, it is part of the (Western?) "fault-finding mind" to which many of us have been brought up, so it's a trained pattern of thinking that comes particularly easy to analytical minds, I have found (and having to "fight" against myself :) ).

I tend to think that everyone of us digs his/her own hole to fall in ... :toilet:
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:16 pm

Why post this thread at all? Is it skilful to criticise hypocrits? :stirthepot:
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:28 pm

This is not a thread to critisize, but to understand,from a Buddhist angle.

Is that ok ?
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby pink_trike » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:53 pm

BlackBird wrote:Maybe it's self view

"Look at me way up here aren't I marvellous."

:anjali:

"Look at me way up here, ain't I scared I'm just like you".
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Annapurna » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:01 pm

That's a good one.
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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby Journey » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:21 pm

Easily seen are the faults of others,
Hard indeed to see are one's own;
The faults of others you bring to light
Like winnowing the chaff,
But your own faults you cover up
As the trickster conceals a losing throw.
Those who always find fault with others,
Who criticize constantly,
Their own cravings will grow,
Far are they from the cessation of their desires.
—Dhammapada 252-3


We can learn many things from the faults of others. Above all, we can get to know a lot about ourselves. When we do, we will feel a sense of connection, of solidarity with others, as though they are our brothers and sisters.

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Re: Thoughts about criticism

Postby catmoon » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:19 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:Why post this thread at all? Is it skilful to criticise hypocrits? :stirthepot:



Are you critcizing people who criticize hypocrites? What a hypocrite! :jawdrop:
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