K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

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K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby bodom » Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:30 am

Has anyone read Norman's translation? He is an esteemed pali scholar and i am curious as to how his translation stands against the many others. I also understand this book is annotated and was wondering to what extent and how indepth? Many thanks.

http://www.pariyatti.org/Bookstore/prod ... cfm?PC=238

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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby seanpdx » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:49 pm

bodom wrote:Has anyone read Norman's translation? He is an esteemed pali scholar and i am curious as to how his translation stands against the many others. I also understand this book is annotated and was wondering to what extent and how indepth? Many thanks.

http://www.pariyatti.org/Bookstore/prod ... cfm?PC=238

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I haven't yet, but coincidentally, I did just order it. Should arrive any day now.
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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:06 pm

seanpdx wrote:
bodom wrote:Has anyone read Norman's translation? He is an esteemed pali scholar and i am curious as to how his translation stands against the many others. I also understand this book is annotated and was wondering to what extent and how indepth? Many thanks.

http://www.pariyatti.org/Bookstore/prod ... cfm?PC=238

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I haven't yet, but coincidentally, I did just order it. Should arrive any day now.


Great! Let me know what you think. I have already spent $60.00 on John Ross Carters Dhammapada translation and am a little reluctant to put out fifty more for another translation.

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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby seanpdx » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:13 pm

bodom wrote:
seanpdx wrote:
bodom wrote:Has anyone read Norman's translation? He is an esteemed pali scholar and i am curious as to how his translation stands against the many others. I also understand this book is annotated and was wondering to what extent and how indepth? Many thanks.

http://www.pariyatti.org/Bookstore/prod ... cfm?PC=238

:anjali:


I haven't yet, but coincidentally, I did just order it. Should arrive any day now.


Great! Let me know what you think. I have already spent $60.00 on John Ross Carters Dhammapada translation and am a little reluctant to put out fifty more for another translation.

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Of course!

Haven't read his translation. Worth the money? What do you think of it?
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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby bodom » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:23 pm

seanpdx wrote:Haven't read his translation. Worth the money? What do you think of it?


Absolutely! It is a line by line translation of the Dhammapada along with its ancient sinhalese commentary. I have not come across a more indepth study on the Dhammapada than this text and i have read quite a few translations.

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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby seanpdx » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:44 pm

bodom wrote:Has anyone read Norman's translation? He is an esteemed pali scholar and i am curious as to how his translation stands against the many others. I also understand this book is annotated and was wondering to what extent and how indepth? Many thanks.

http://www.pariyatti.org/Bookstore/prod ... cfm?PC=238

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60 pages of translation, 120 pages of notes. Some of the notes are brief, some are more comprehensive. He states in the introduction that he quotes extensively from the grammatical section of the commentary without translation, but for those readers interested in a comprehensive look at the commentary, he points to Carter's work. His bibliography is about five pages, his introduction is about 20 pages.

Sections of the Introduction:
* The Dhammapada genre
* Parallel versions
* The arrangement of the verses
* The commentary
* The translation
* The title of the translation
* The metres of Dhammapada
* Metrical license
* Orthography and phonology

Follow the translation and notes is an index of words commented on, and an index of grammatical points discussed in the notes.

If you have any particular verse you'd like to see, I can give the translation and associated note so you can get a feel for it. My first impression is that, although I still like the readability of my personal favourite translation, this appears to be a really good critical translation, and the notes are quite useful.
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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby bodom » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:58 pm

Well thanks a lot now I have to put out $50 for yet another Dhammapada translation. :tantrum: But seriously thank you for your feedback, much appreciated. :toast: It definitely sounds worth the money.

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: K.R Norman's Dhammapada translation

Postby seanpdx » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:07 pm

bodom wrote:Well thanks a lot now I have to put out $50 for yet another Dhammapada translation. :tantrum: But seriously thank you for your feedback, much appreciated. :toast: It definitely sounds worth the money.

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If I have helped to separate you from your hard-earned cash, then my work here is done! :woohoo:
I dig Norman, though. I have his translation of the sutta-nipata, and it's great.
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