Pain in the patookus

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Pain in the patookus

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:24 am


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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Guy » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:44 am

I used to blast Christians for their beliefs, so maybe it's just because of my karma that I keep running into this kind of stuff.
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Ben » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:37 am

Simplisic and erroneous drivel.
It epitomises the moral and spiritual vaccuum at the heart of their chosen path.
Fortunately, not all christians are so ignorant.
Thanks for sharing Tilt.
metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby zavk » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:12 am

Hahaha....

This guy is from one of those 'mega-churches' in Singapore.

It is possible that the only kind of Buddhism he knows of is the unthinking, ignorant good-luck-amulet-praying-for-good-fortune type which, according to Ven. Dhammika whom I spoke to when I visited Singapore last year, is still very prevalent there. This was the kind of Buddhism I encountered too when I was growing up there. But there are obviously more informed kinds of Buddhism now.

Nevertheless, in making this sort of argument he is creating an alter-ego of what he criticises--an unthinking, ignorant Christianity.

Ah the irony....
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Re: Pain in the patookus

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby salmon » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:53 am

Pity those who have to condemn other religions to feel confident of their own. Those who have confidence in their own faith will just laugh this off.
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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:05 am

Are these videos backwards? Seems like the first should be second... I chuckled when told that women are equal in Christianity. I have a few friends who would debate that.

I think the real miracle on that stage is the podium. Sleek and unintrusive design.
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as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Annapurna » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:22 am

http://www.schmuckzauberei.blogspot.com/

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Re: Pain in the patookus

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby salmon » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:26 am

It seems the pastor's kamma has caught up with him and he is in trouble with the law for those statements.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/ ... 11/1/.html


Pastor's comments on Buddhism/Taoism "inappropriate & unacceptable": MHA
Posted: 08 February 2010 2345 hrs

SINGAPORE: The Internal Security Department (ISD) has called up Pastor Rony Tan of Lighthouse Evangelism in connection with his comments and insinuations about Buddhism and Taoism at his church sessions.

These sessions were video-recorded and made available on Lighthouse Evangelism's website. Video clips of these sessions subsequently became available on YouTube and other websites.

The Ministry of Home Affairs said Pastor Tan's comments were highly inappropriate and unacceptable as they trivialised and insulted the beliefs of Buddhists and Taoists.

They can also give rise to tension and conflict between the Buddhist/Taoist and Christian communities.

ISD told Pastor Tan that in preaching or proselytising his faith, he must not run down other religions, and must be mindful of the sensitivities of other religions.

Pastor Tan has expressed his deepest apologies and remorse. He deeply regrets that he has been insensitive and offensive towards the Buddhist and Taoist faiths, and that his comments have saddened and hurt their followers.

He has promised that it will never happen again and has also affirmed that he will tell his members to respect other beliefs and build a harmonious Singapore.

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:48 am

Correct...
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Pain in the patookus

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby zavk » Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:29 am

With metta,
zavk

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Dan74 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:57 am

_/|\_

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby Dhammabodhi » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:02 am

Much metta to both of them, as well as the people laughing in the background. :hug:
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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby salmon » Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:44 am

~ swimming upstream is tough work! ~

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby zavk » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:12 am

Hi salmon,

Drawing attention to and raising questions about the wider implications of a particular set of legislation is not the same as 'blaming' the authorities for taking action against any potential threats to the wellbeing of society. Nor is it to condone divisive or anti-social behaviour.

To give an analogy: When George W. Bush passed the Patriot Act shortly after 9/11, it generated a lot of controversy. The Patriot Act was passed in the interest of national security, but it also had wider implications which many Americans felt were questionable. In questioning those possible implications, they weren't exactly 'blaming' the Bush administration for taking action to guard against further threats to national security, nor were they condoning acts of aggression against their country.

A course of action--even if taken in reaction to an urgent crisis (and crises usually require swift authoritative action)--does not make ethical reflection about the implications of authority superfluous or redundant.

But yes, it was pretty obvious from the start that he wouldn't get away with what he did.

It's all good now.
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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby salmon » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:33 am

~ swimming upstream is tough work! ~

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Re: Pain in the patookus

Postby zavk » Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:06 am

Hey salmon,

Not a problem. No offense taken. I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't condoning these sorts of behaviour, even as I question the background of the law that is clamming down on him.

:anjali:
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