Annapurna wrote:I think to abandon some desires is hard at times. Like, if you don't want to contribute to animals suffering and so want to eat less meat, or become a Vegetarian. I've gone without meat for many months, but then I eat meat again!
Yes, I understand your position.
But my perspective is that if we can't feel these changes as a gain in the here and now, then this is a sign that our motivation, attitude or intention is maybe not in line with the dhamma. Of course the point is not to criticize anybody, but just to express what could be the most important area of development. After all we, western people, conditioned by this materialistic culture, are quite prone to focus on the externalities: I should eat less, I should sleep less, I should do more meditation, I should give more donations... And at the same time we very rarely question our motivation, attitude or intention with which we are eating, sleeping, meditating or giving donations. If only the externalities change, of course that the change is hard and the craving remains. On the other hand, if the change happens in our motivation, attitude or intention, the change in the externalities can be almost automatic.
So, if you have problems with craving for meat (as your example goes), maybe this is because you are a meat-eater who doesn't eat meat.
I have spoken to somebody 2 weeks ago who harshly condemned celibacy as "unnatural"...he said it was impossible for him to go without, -but monks can.
Yes, it is natural. Suffering in samsara is natural too. So I would be careful about how much nature I want.
Usually this is how my argument goes about this.
"Just as in the great ocean there is but one taste — the taste of salt — so in this Doctrine and Discipline there is but one taste — the taste of freedom"