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what is stealing?

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:36 am

Let us say that one says I own all the food in the hole world.
and I steal some food from the sherwood is that real stealing?
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Re: what is stealing?

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:00 am

It is me that judge my self. I take the stuff from the store and pays a person.
What is it that makes that not stealing? Is it that give something to a person that works there,
so becourse of tha thought "all things is own by someone so i must give them something back so i give them this money but I just have 50 oh no 50 is stealing 51 is not stealing" is the laws so correct in nature of law?
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Re: what is stealing?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:30 am

intention and honesty.

sounds like you are trying to convince yourself.

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Re: what is stealing?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:12 pm

villkorkarma wrote:Let us say that one says I own all the food in the hole world.
and I steal some food from the sherwood is that real stealing?


Your 'work hypothesis' that somebody owns all the food in the world is unrealistic.

Let's work with something more real.

I take the stuff from the store and pays a person.
What is it that makes that not stealing?


That the owner consents to your taking it, after you pay.

If an owner doesn't want to take your money, and you still take his property, then you steal.
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Re: what is stealing?

Postby PeterB » Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:31 pm

The Pali of the second precept runs like this;
Adinnadana veramani sikkhapadam samadyami. (spelling ? )

Adinnadana means, to take the not given . Which is often interpreted as the not freely given.
So the whole thing is rendered, " I undertake the rule of training to refrain from taking what is not freely given ".
This is usually applied to material goods, money etc. But some commentators would include other peoples time and so on.
It is not a matter of moral relativism. In other words the kamma-vipaka from stealing from the rich is no different from that incurred by stealing from the poor. The vipaka arises from the intention of taking that which is not freely given.
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