Orca kills third human

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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby Annapurna » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:32 pm

I just heard on TV that even though Seaworld denies the Orca was bored and therefore attacked, a(former?) trainer thinks Tilikim had indeed been bored, by having been kept alone for several days in a very small pool.

I wouldn't call that bored. I would like to call that tortured.

If we are kept alone in a cell, we call it isolation jail, and it is considered a form of torture.

Whales are highly intelligent and sociable beings. They need the company of other Orcas or some sort of distraction and entertainment or they become upset.

OF COURSE they will be bored alone, angry and upset, just like I would be!


We, the human society is responsible for that death. Everybody who pays for silly entertainment like that.

If you don't want to support that, please don't buy tickets for Seaworld.

Teach your children well, why you won't go there with them.

There will be millions of others going there anyways, until we all know it's not good to keep dolphins and whales caged.

YOU make a difference.

Just like all of us make a difference when we boycott fur coats.

Today, I saw a wild cat fur coat, which originally costs thousands, secondhand for 30 Euros.
30 Euros!!!

Nobody wants to wear them anymore.
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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby christopher::: » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:46 am

Annapurna wrote:
It almost sounds as if the death of trainers is something they accept as collateral damage.


Indeed. I do think these animals are bored, frustrated... not intentionally meaning to kill people but they do have an innate desire for more intense interactions, it's natural. I imagine if squirrels or mice were keeping humans as captives to "entertain" their friends (for nuts) these same incidents would happen, probably more frequently...

Imagine squirrels keeping you in an enclosed space, even bringing their kids around to ride on your back every day....



"The MMC survey from the University of California discovered that more than half of marine mammal workers had been injured by the animals (251 cases) Those in regular contact with marine mammals or involved with cleaning and repairing enclosures were more likely to be injured. Trainers and dolphinarium staff are frequently injured, but these incidents are rarely reported publicly."

~Naomi Rose PhD. 2009
The Case Against Marine Mammals in Captivity (pdf file)
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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:27 pm

I'm not a fan of animals used as entertainment. Yet what a dilemma. Sometimes it's used to raise money to help preserve wildlife. But animals is circuses and theme parks and other attractions. Arggh. Don't get me started.

We have truly made a mess of this world. Is it even possible for us to begin to clean it up?

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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby Annapurna » Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:37 pm

Get well soon, BubbaBuddhist!

Chris, thanks for te link. Have only read the first page so far, but already agree with all that was said.

Perhaps the species Orca also has a different temper from other whales.

Throughout history we have reports of free living dolphins carrying drowning fishermen back to the shore, and placing them onto land, well understanding they would die in the ocean, and that they need to be on land.

This is an exceptional evidence of intelligence, insight, compassion and good will, even though they, too, could kill us, if they ram us with their noses.

Orcas however, are much larger, and while we don't know of free living Orcas ever having killed humans, they have done so in captivity.

So, I conclude they have a different temperament.

I also noticed that Orcas have extreme colors, black and white, which somehow signal 'danger' to me, sort of like the colors of wasps and tigers.

Dolphins however are grey, black and white melted into one...colors say a lot in the animal kingdom.

And then size....

Tigers also attack humans at times, while the "attacks" of domesticated cats usually remain harmless.

So, perhaps we just shouldn't mess with Orcas any longer and set them free. They are not threatened anyways.

Won't happen. Money.
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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:48 am

Another attack - different species, different motive.
No-one is blaming the animal this time.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/01/2833274.htm

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Re: Orca kills third human

Postby Annapurna » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:30 am

Interesting, Kim, thanks.

It seems that in both cases an insensitive treatment of the animals bonds to mates caused upset and aggravation.

I guess we would be just as upset, as Chris said.

Imagine we were being kept away from our loves by smaller animals, which have the means to lock us up and make us jump around at command ....I couldn't guarantee for myself, to be honest. Wouldn't a little bite in the arm or pulling the tail be nice? :tongue:

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