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Will the day come when...

Postby Upasaka Sumana » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:34 pm

...the WHOLE Tipitaka, and ALL commentaries and subcommentaries become available in English, for free, on the World Wide Web?

I'm looking forward to this day!
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Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

—Gotama Buddha, Dhammapada 121-122

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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby jackson » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:51 pm

It would be nice, but would you have time to read it all? I'm not sure how long it would take to go through it, but I imagine a few decades at least of doing nothing but reading... :reading:
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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby Upasaka Sumana » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:30 pm

It doesn't mean we have to read all of it. It just means we'll have access to any text we wanted. :smile:
Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

—Gotama Buddha, Dhammapada 121-122

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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby jackson » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:27 pm

Stefan wrote:It doesn't mean we have to read all of it. It just means we'll have access to any text we wanted. :smile:

Yes, of course. I was still having my morning coffee when I first read your post, I was under the impression you wanted to read it all! Which would be a tremendous feat. I don't even know if all the suttas are available online yet, so to have the whole tipitaka is probably a long way off. One thing that would be of great advantage to have the whole thing online would be if it was all on one site, and to have a search engine, so for instance if you typed "eight worldly winds", you'd have every instance of it in the pali canon. It's a pretty nice dream!
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Postby Ben » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:40 pm

Hi Stefan
If you learn pali, you can have access to the entire tipitaka now, for free.
It might be worth considering.
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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby Upasaka Sumana » Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:45 pm

Thanks Ben :smile:

But how can I learn Pali? I mean are there free resources on the web that can help me learn Pali well enough to be able to understand a sufficient amount of any sutta?
Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

—Gotama Buddha, Dhammapada 121-122

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Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:16 pm

I don't have the links but Access to insight has some links and resources for learning pali, and there is a pinned thread on the pali subforum
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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:23 pm

Greetings,

Having it all as searchable online text would also help with the kind of online discussions we have here on Dhamma Wheel. Often there's a sutta I recall, but it doesn't seem to be online... not being online, I've often got no idea where it would be (having read the SN, MN & DN, I've read quite a few!) and it's difficult to make reference to.

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Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:25 pm

Stefan wrote:Thanks Ben :smile:

But how can I learn Pali? I mean are there free resources on the web that can help me learn Pali well enough to be able to understand a sufficient amount of any sutta?

Not everythiong can be free, but they can be inexpensive. A.K. Warder's INTRODUCTION TO PALI can be gotten fairly cheaply, and it would be enough, if you worked through it all, to read sutta Pali. There are enough other resources on the web to assist your learning. If you are serious about it, your could manage this 2-3 years (or a bit longer, depending).
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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:26 pm

Stefan wrote:...the WHOLE Tipitaka, and ALL commentaries and subcommentaries become available in English, for free, on the World Wide Web?

I'm looking forward to this day!

When that day comes, you will be an old man.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby jcsuperstar » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:04 am

what is actually left to translate into English? one abhidhamma book that i know of, but what else?
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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:17 am

jcsuperstar wrote:what is actually left to translate into English? one abhidhamma book that i know of, but what else?
Most of the commentaries and virtually all the subcommentaries need to be translated. The Abhidhamma stuff needs to be redone. The Patisambhidamagga is in serious need of being redone as is much of the Khuddaka Nikaya.
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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby BlackBird » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:48 am

jcsuperstar wrote:what is actually left to translate into English? one abhidhamma book that i know of, but what else?


English has changed considerably since the PTS was doing it's thing. Furthermore the older translations are liable to get the message wrong in places, one doesn't have to spend too much time digging through Maurice Walsh or Ven. Bodhi's notes sections to find good evidence of this.

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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby Ben » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:53 am

Hi Stefan

Here's some to get you going...

Pali Primer by Dr. Lily De Silva http://www.pratyeka.org/Silva/

An Elementary Pali Course by Narada Thera http://www.pratyeka.org/narada/

A Practical Grammar of the Pāli Language by Charles Duroiselle http://www.pratyeka.org/duroiselle/

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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Upasaka Sumana » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:31 am

Thanks for the links, Ben!
Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

—Gotama Buddha, Dhammapada 121-122

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Re: Will the day come when...

Postby Ben » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:57 am

No problem Stefan but you better get cracking because the next time I see you on Skype you better be speaking pali!
I'm joking, of course!
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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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