How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby chownah » Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:32 pm

Thailand? Primitive?
Eating insects? (and enjoying it!)
Eating ant eggs? (aroi mak mak!)
Eating live crabs? (little bite sized ones)
Eating live shrimps ?(little ones swimming in a broth)
Eating raw pork, beef, and water buffalo? (I'm talking raw, not rare!)
Eating cow after birth in a special stew which is shared with your closest friends and family? (shudder....)
Rats? Weasels? Snake? Snails? Spam? McNuggets? Cole slaw from KFC? (shudder....)

If it can be eaten it *is* eaten here.

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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Sanghamitta » Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:01 pm

Commonly found in expensive restaurants in Europe and the US.

Raw steak, chopped and served with raw egg and raw onion its called Steak Tartare.
Raw steak , venison ( deer meat ) ostrich and raw fish sliced thinly and marinaded in olive oil, it called Carpacchio.
Kangaroo meat,
Crocodile.
Raw fish served Japanese style...its called shashami.
Lobsters and crabs boiled alive.
In supermarkets you can buy ants in chocolate.
Deep fried grasshoppers.
And Spam, McNuggets etc are western inventions.
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:15 am

chownah wrote:If it can be eaten it *is* eaten here.

Not primitive.
Typical of any place where people have been really really hungry in the recent past.

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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:35 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:
chownah wrote:If it can be eaten it *is* eaten here.

Not primitive.
Typical of any place where people have been really really hungry in the recent past.

Metta,
Kim


Indeed.

In China, the saying is:

The only thing that flies in the sky, but cannot be eaten, is an airplane.
The only thing that swims in the water, but cannot be eaten, is a boat.
The only thing that moves on the land, but cannot be eaten, is a car.

How's about those famines back in the early days of Maoist agricultural techniques, eh?
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:40 am

Sanghamitta wrote:Beliefs common in the UK when I was growing up and still found now.

If a woman washes her hair during times of menstruation she will weaken herself and become ill.
" Germs" that cause colds and flu (presumably bacteria and viruses ) live in the grass and so a heavy frost means that there are fewer colds and flu in circulation, because the frost kills them off.
If you swallow chewing gum it can get tangled around your heart,
Smoking cigarettes in the early stages of a cold can stop it developing if you exhale the smoke through the nose.
Smoking cigarettes cures a headache.
Bats can get tangled in your hair and the only way to untangle them is to have all your hair shaved off.
If virgin children plant seeds or bulbs the plants will grow better.

and many many others. There is no culture, including modern western ones , with no folk beliefs


hey dont leave out the US, where millions of people believe
that the earth is only 6000 years old
ghosts,
fortune tellers (just ask our former 1st lady nancy reagan about them!)
that we never made it to the moon
ufos
demons can and do take over peoples bodies
global climate change is a hoax
that george w bush would make a great president
that aids was sent by a kind loving god to wipe out homosexuals
and so much more!
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby appicchato » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:14 am

In China, the saying is:

Everything with four legs, but the table...
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby bodom » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:46 pm

Hey i believe in ghosts. Did not the Buddha teach about the hungry ghost realm? I also believe UFO's to be possible. Does this quote refer to Aliens? Maybe maybe not:

Even in those spaces which are between the worlds, baseless, murky and dark, and where even moon and sun, so wondrous and mighty, cannot prevail to give light, even there is made manifest this infinite and splendid radiance, passing the glory of the gods. And those beings who happen to be existing there, perceiving each other by that radiance, say: "Verily there be other beings living here!" - (DN 14)

:anjali:
The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Wind » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:45 am

I'm glad I chose the word "primitive". It caused some interesting responses. :D
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Thai_Theravada » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:02 am

If you think like this, So which country you consider developed country?
and what mean you use to judge us?

Indeed, We're happy as we are.

We're proud to be the country that retain Theravada Buddhism for many decades.



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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby ando » Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:34 am

Wind wrote:Is it a coincidence that all the Theravada Buddhist Countries (Burma, Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Sri Lanka) are so under-develop?


Countries need not be Mahayana or Theravada to be underdeveloped. Try the African continent.

Your statement would be true if you compared those countries to Western countries but if happiness was your point, I suggest comparing nations based on Gross National Happiness. Bhutan started it first and Sarkozy tried to introduce it to France last year I think, although I'm not sure what became of it.

Forbes has a list of happiest countries, 2009. Try to see if you can pick out a Theravada or Mahayana country in the top 10. Okay let me be up front. There's none.

Maybe its because of how they define "happiness?"

p/s There are more Mahayana Buddhists in Malaysia than Theravada, as the Chinese form the bulk of the Buddhist population there.
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Wind » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:52 am

Oh do not read too much into my original inquiry. It was simply a push of a domino to see how the chips will fall. :smile:
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:25 am

And in your opinion Wind, did it constitute Right Speech, this pushing of the dominoes ?
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Wind » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:39 am

Sanghamitta wrote:And in your opinion Wind, did it constitute Right Speech, this pushing of the dominoes ?


It is right intention as in to learn from what knowledge others can share. I am not well travel so I my interpret the world differently and I like to see how others view things.
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Sanghamitta » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:47 am

Thai_Theravada wrote:If you think like this, So which country you consider developed country?
and what mean you use to judge us?

Indeed, We're happy as we are.

We're proud to be the country that retain Theravada Buddhism for many decades.



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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby appicchato » Fri Mar 05, 2010 11:25 am

ando wrote:Maybe its because of how they define "happiness?"

That's the clincher...
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Thai_Theravada » Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:26 pm

Namustsakarn :anjali: Pra Ajahn Appicchato

Hi Wind
If you think you doing something like mental experiment, domino effect observation or just for
fun, I'd like to told you that everything you done is karma.

and we would not negligent a little karma because it will turn to be a big one faster you think.
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby Wind » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:30 pm

Thai_Theravada wrote:Namustsakarn :anjali: Pra Ajahn Appicchato

Hi Wind
If you think you doing something like mental experiment, domino effect observation or just for
fun, I'd like to told you that everything you done is karma.

and we would not negligent a little karma because it will turn to be a big one faster you think.


Hi Thai

Thanks for the reminder. But it wasn't all in fun but a genuine interest in whether there was a correlation between religion and development of countries. And by domino effect i meant that I am open to allow the discussion to branch off to any number of ways to broaden my understanding. :smile:
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby chownah » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:15 pm

Thailand? Primitive?
Most toilet paper is used at the table during meals....but mostly it is not used in the bathroom!!!....we use water there!!!!
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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby ando » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:51 pm

Hello Wind,

You asked the same question I asked in the now defunct community that is Buddhist Community about the state of Buddhist- majority countries. I think its is a good question. Thanks for asking it here. We all learn by asking questions.

My question then was more on why lands of the enlightened sages seem to suffer the worst conflicts, and so is kind of historical in nature. In India, Buddhism is a shadow of what it was and there's fighting up north and down south. We all know what happened to the monks in Burma. Sri Lanka until recently suffered a war. Vietnam and Cambodia still has legacies of war. In Afghanistan they bombed the Bamiyan stautues. Japan committed unspeakable atrocities during WW2, under the auspices of Buddhism I'm told. China, the birthplace of sages like Lao Tze and Confucius, seems permanently cursed by cruel emperors to communism. Tibet is politically troubled. etc etc.

I was born and raised in a tiny SE Asian village where there was no electricity or running water so I ask as an Asian. My grandparents were killed by the Japanese army. I used to think what a blessing it is to be born in the region where the sages were born. Surely the presence of extraordinary teachers would have had a great calming effect on the people that would last for generations. Boy, was I wrong.

I do get this common answer though... there are bad people in every culture. Well yes, but it still doesn't explain why there's disproprotionately more riots, wars, uprisings, militarism, cruel monarchs and gross violations of human rights in regions dotted with temples than in regions without, say like Scandinavia. In some of these sagely lands, the fighting hasn't stopped since the Buddha's time.

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Re: How come all the Theravada Countries so under-develop?

Postby plwk » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:01 pm

Bhikkhus, if you develop and make much this one thing,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.
What is it? It is recollecting the Enlightened One.
If this single thing is recollected and made much,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.

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