Are you wearing skins?...

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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby PeterB » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:14 am

Its realilistic.
You will not find me quoting the late Da Free John too often, but he said something apropos.
He said we sit beside a tranquil looking lake on a summers day and it induces a sense of peace in us. That peace is entirely projected and subjective. Beneath the surface of the water everything is preying on everything else, its actually a scene of carnage...

Tofuburger anyone ?
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Clueless Git » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:39 pm

appicchato wrote:
Bubbabuddhist wrote:...humans have the ability to choose. We can decide...


This is the bottom line...

:anjali:

Set me to thinking that to not use that ability is the greatest tragedy of all ...

Is not to do so anything less than choosing to put the most valuable incarnation, that as a human, entirely to waste?
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Clueless Git » Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:56 pm

:oops:

Double posted there ..
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Clueless Git » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:02 pm

Clueless Git wrote:
PeterB wrote:Its realilistic.
You will not find me quoting the late Da Free John too often, but he said something apropos.
He said we sit beside a tranquil looking lake on a summers day and it induces a sense of peace in us. That peace is entirely projected and subjective. Beneath the surface of the water everything is preying on everything else, its actually a scene of carnage...

'Lo Peter :)

I remember the sense of peace that comes with watching the 'mindless' savagery of the natural world. The one that kinda says "This is the way it is. It explains what I am" ..

Another sense of peace comes from being able to watch the savagery of the natural world and, to paraphrase Bubbha, kinda know .. "I can choose to be that OR I can choose to be not".

Which is the greater sense of peace is difficult to gauge unless you have experienced both.
Tofuburger anyone ?

Only if you pull out its horns and wipe it's butt first .. :tongue:
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby PeterB » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:29 pm

lo ?....Is that like in " Lo and behold" ?
Anyway, the reality is Cluless Git you can choose to reduce the amount of death and destruction you cause to" higher" sentient beings.
And that choice is commendable.
You cannot choose to be embodied and not be part of a chain of destruction. That comes with territory as long as we are embodied.
We are are all in this together, until Enlightenment.
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:31 pm

Kim O'Hara wrote:
Bubbabuddhist wrote:Let's face it; this world is filled with horror stories. Beneath the placid surface of a lake everything is busy eating everything else; in the quiet grasses and bushes insects prey on each other: the fly in the spider's web, ...
This is Nature. It's utterly horrid.

This is, indeed, nature. But, "It's utterly horrid," is your response to it, not part of nature. Is it useful? Skillful?
Aversion to it seems to lead nowhere good.
:meditate:
Kim


Actually, Kim, I find noting my reaction, especially my aversion, leads to very good places. :anjali:

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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:06 am

Bubbabuddhist wrote:
Kim O'Hara wrote:
Bubbabuddhist wrote:Let's face it; this world is filled with horror stories. Beneath the placid surface of a lake everything is busy eating everything else; in the quiet grasses and bushes insects prey on each other: the fly in the spider's web, ...
This is Nature. It's utterly horrid.

This is, indeed, nature. But, "It's utterly horrid," is your response to it, not part of nature. Is it useful? Skillful?
Aversion to it seems to lead nowhere good.
:meditate:
Kim


Actually, Kim, I find noting my reaction, especially my aversion, leads to very good places. :anjali:

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That's great, then. :twothumbsup:
Aversion without that insight into is the problem.
:namaste:
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Clueless Git » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:19 am

PeterB wrote:lo ?....Is that like in " Lo and behold" ?

'Lo ... as in abbreviation of 'Hello' Peter :)
Anyway, the reality is Cluless Git you can choose to reduce the amount of death and destruction you cause to" higher" sentient beings.
And that choice is commendable.

My gratitude to those who taught me that is unending!

Problem is that it's a debt that, apart from by never ever shutting up about it, is totally unrepayable :lol:
You cannot choose to be embodied and not be part of a chain of destruction. That comes with territory as long as we are embodied.
We are are all in this together, until Enlightenment.

This is both very very true and very very wise Peter :bow:

I owe you and bubbha a debt too, btw ...

The bollocking the pair of you teamed up to deliver me on another topic has given me cause to contemplate upon my use of words.
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby PeterB » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:37 am

I am not sure it was teamwork so much as a shared view.
And not so much a bollocking as a fairly cogent request to examine the basis of certain assumptions... :smile:
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:45 pm

Nah, in my case it was a bollocking. :lol:
But I do like you Clueless. Believe it or not. People I don't like I just ignore.

Hey Kim, the process this whole dog eat dog thing engendered in me went something like this (highly condensed):

(1) My word, how horrid. Why would God set up such a cruel system?
(2) If there is a Creator God and he did this, he should be horsewhipped.
(3) Therefore, there can't be a God, at least not one I'd care to know.
(4) I don't want to be part of this system, must be a better way.
(5) Aha, there is. I need to work harder not to come back to this system, especially not as someone's food.

I think in the Suttas, Buddha called this "disillusionment" with the world.

Here's to the 8fold path. :toast:
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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:06 pm

"Freedom" and "choice" are two beautiful words, but scary too. Far easier to go along with what everyone else does. McDonalds capitalizes on herd mentality. It's a hap-hap-hap-HAPpy place. So is Nibanna, but try telling this to someone who likes to upsize their fries. It's a hard sell.

Give up eating meat? Why so difficult for some? How many times do you hear: "I couldn't live without meat?" Heck I've done it for twelve years and I'm as big as an ox. When I die my ashes will fill two urns. My wife and son can split them. Advertising and media has convinced people an all vegetable diet will turn you into a walking skeleton. Food is associated with comfort, celebration, love. Security. Hard to break these chains. And at the center of the family meal is a big slab of meat.

Some call enlightenment LIBERATION. The ultimate freedom. If we fear freedom at all, that's got to be scary, because if we do attain Liberation we give up everything we used to value so much. Maybe that's why so few arrive.

Perhaps all that holds us back is a cup of black coffee or a piece of chocolate cake.


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Re: Are you wearing skins?...

Postby Mukunda » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:38 pm

PeterB wrote:You cannot choose to be embodied and not be part of a chain of destruction. That comes with territory as long as we are embodied.


IMO this should not be used as an argument or rationalization for not doing everything one can to minimize destruction, merely remembered in order to avoid developing an inflated ego for doing what is right.
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