Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Wind » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:15 am

cool thanks tilt

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:50 am

Aloka wrote:I've had wasps nests in my loft for years and I just leave them there undisturbed.

Once quite a lot of them got into the house throught the edge of the loft flap - and I had to catch them individually in jars and then put them outside which took a long time.I suppose they returned to the loft through the roof but I fixed the edge of the flap so that they could't get into the main part of the house again.

I've never been stung by a wasp in my life - so I'm not afraid of being stung.


Never in your life?

It HURTS. I've only had a few so far, but I recall those days very well. :(
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:06 am

Bankei wrote:they seem to be able to repeatedly sting, unlike bees


Yes. Bees lose their whole sting apparatus when they sting a human being. Stinging means the own death for a bee. The stinger gets ripped out of the body. Must be a bad painful death.

You could probably dislodge the next by using a high powered hose from a distance. Just keep on hosing it until it is out of the way and then they probably won't bother you.


That would kill many of them...

I just now remembered a story from "Autobiography of a Yogi". Yogananda described how he and other disciples would sit up late each night with their master and how the master NEVER got stung just once.

But the boys did...

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Clueless Git » Mon Apr 19, 2010 7:34 pm

A bit of wasp-love motivated web-ferreting finaly flushed this crazy contraption out of it's hole ...

The Waspinator: [arnie-voice]if your flying, I'll be back[/arnie-voice]

If it works I'll eat my hat ...

Actualy, if it doesn't work you could probably turn it into a hat!

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:05 pm

Clueless Git wrote:A bit of wasp-love motivated web-ferreting finaly flushed this crazy contraption out of it's hole ...

The Waspinator: [arnie-voice]if your flying, I'll be back[/arnie-voice]

If it works I'll eat my hat ...

Actualy, if it doesn't work you could probably turn it into a hat!

For ten bucks, it is worth a shot, and if it doesn't work, you have an ugly hat. What is not to like about that? The google results are on it workimg or not are mixed, it seems.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:52 pm

Annapurna wrote:Never in your life?




No, never. :smile:

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Bozworth » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:41 am

I thought the dripping water idea in the OP sounded pretty good. If this was an issue for me, I would give it strong consideration. Effect nest evacuation and remove nest... Hope they set up shop further away next time.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:46 am

Bozworth wrote:I thought the dripping water idea in the OP sounded pretty good. If this was an issue for me, I would give it strong consideration. Effect nest evacuation and remove nest... Hope they set up shop further away next time.
But let us not forget the thousands of lavrae that will killed.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:50 am

Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:But let us not forget the thousands of lavrae that will killed.


Without wanting to stir the hornet's nest...

:rofl:

... do larvae count as sentient beings?

Extract from SN 23.2: Satta Sutta
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I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then Ven. Radha went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?"

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for form, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for feeling... perception... fabrications...

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'


(For comparative purposes...) Someone can look under a microscope and see sperm moving for example, but does that make them sentient beings?

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:57 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:But let us not forget the thousands of lavrae that will killed.


Without wanting to stir the hornet's nest...

(For comparative purposes...) Someone can look under a microscope and see sperm moving for example, but does that make them sentient beings?

Metta,
Retro.
If I were at home I'd plug in Monty Python's EVERY SPERM IS SACRED song here, but a lavra is more like a chick embyro or a tadpole than a sperm.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:51 am

Greetings Tilt,

tiltbillings wrote:If I were at home I'd plug in Monty Python's EVERY SPERM IS SACRED song here, but a lavra is more like a chick embyro or a tadpole than a sperm.

:jumping:

I agree its got more potential to become a sentient being than a single isolated sperm, but is it sentient? Is it being?

:shrug:

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:10 am

I thinks its the exact wasp equivilent of a baby Paul..It eats it excretes, it responds to painful stimuli.
I think sometimes we have to make hard choices.
In the early days of Samye Ling the original house had a rat problem.
Because people were staying and food was being prepared the local council served an order saying that the rats had to be removed..
Trungpa Rinpoche was deeply unhappy about the idea of killing the rats.
He went round the house putting pieces of paper with mantras written on them down all of the rat holes to encourage them to leave.
After a few weeks it was clear that it wasnt working.
Trungpa Rinpoche sighed and said to his secretary " I will say prayers for them..you phone Rentakill , this place needs to stay open ".

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:18 am

After a few weeks it was clear that it wasnt working



Possibly because his mind was too befuddled with drugs and alcohol ?


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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:21 am

At the time Aloka he was still in the robe and didnt do either drugs or alcohol.
This was a few years before he went to the US. He was a clean cut kid, straight from graduating from Oxford.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:23 am

Aloka wrote:
After a few weeks it was clear that it wasnt working



Possibly because his mind was too befuddled with drugs and alcohol ?


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Somebody got rid of the rats. I had a very nice time when I was there, having missed Trungpa by a few weeks. Lama Akong was very nice to me.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:24 am

retrofuturist wrote::

I agree its got more potential to become a sentient being than a single isolated sperm, but is it sentient? Is it being?
And this goes right into the question of abortion. Do we really want to go there?
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People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:27 am

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Somebody got rid of the rats. I had a very nice time when I was there, having missed Trungpa by a few weeks. Lama Akong was very nice to me.





Yes I had many nice times there, Tilt. Maybe you and I even met there -who knows -its a small world sometimes! :D

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:28 am

tiltbillings wrote:
Aloka wrote:
After a few weeks it was clear that it wasnt working



Possibly because his mind was too befuddled with drugs and alcohol ?


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Somebody got rid of the rats. I had a very nice time when I was there, having missed Trungpa by a few weeks. Lama Akong was very nice to me.

Yes Tilt...that somebody was Rentakil.

Akong Rinpoche is a sweetie. I was in a Tibetan restaurant in London with one of my granddaughters and he sat for a few minutes at our table ,and made an indeleble impression on her.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:36 am

PeterB wrote:
Akong Rinpoche is a sweetie. I was in a Tibetan restaurant in London with one of my granddaughters and he sat for a few minutes at our table ,and made an indeleble impression on her.
On my second trip to England I spent time, after my stay in Thailand, at the Kham Tibetan House. Really, really like Lama Chime'. Being winter and all, no wasps or hornets and no rats that I noticed (I said trying to stay on topic). Lama Chime' was very, very nice to me.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:37 am

Akong Rinpoche is a sweetie. I was in a Tibetan restaurant in London with one of my granddaughters and he sat for a few minutes at our table ,and made an indeleble impression on her.


Yes he's very nice - and especially good with children. Maybe not so good with animals.... I once saw him saying several times to a large dog which was running around the house "Sit". The dog just stopped and looked at him briefly with a grin on its face and its tongue hanging out - then continued bounding around as before. Obviously not quite ready for Rinpoche's core teachings yet.


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