Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:47 am

Lama Chime' was very, very nice to me.



Chime Rinpoche is a very sweet man.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:50 am

PeterB wrote:At the time Aloka he was still in the robe and didnt do either drugs or alcohol.
This was a few years before he went to the US. He was a clean cut kid, straight from graduating from Oxford.



That changed in the time when he gave up the robes before he went to the US.


and back to topic - generally, killing even the smallest insect is avoided by Tibetans.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:55 am

Aloka wrote:
Lama Chime' was very, very nice to me.



Chime Rinpoche is a very sweet man.
He was and being still alive, I hope, still is, I am sure, and he has had no trouble with wasps, hornets or other pests of which I am aware.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:59 am

May all be free from problems with wasps, hornets and other pests both seen and unseen !


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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:10 am

Aloka wrote:
PeterB wrote:At the time Aloka he was still in the robe and didnt do either drugs or alcohol.
This was a few years before he went to the US. He was a clean cut kid, straight from graduating from Oxford.



That changed in the time when he gave up the robes before he went to the US.


and back to topic - generally, killing even the smallest insect is avoided by Tibetans.
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Which is why he was unhappy..and he had a deadline from the council who were coming back to investigate..
Magic didnt work, and he was not the only lama involved, Chime was involved too, he was at Samye Ling recuperating after recovering from TB, so the rats didnt stay I would suggest, because they somehow knew that a few years down the road Trungpa would open a bottle.......
I am not taking sides.. I am saying what happened.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Aloka » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:17 am

I am not taking sides.. I am saying what happened.



Sure, my friend, I wasn't thinking in terms of 'sides'. It was a long time ago, and my main interest is in Theravada now anyway.

Oh, is that a wasp I see at the window ?


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Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:36 am

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People live in one another’s shelter.

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"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:03 am

Greetings,

I've always been fascinated by wasps... in particular how narrow they are in the centre of their body, like an insect of two halves.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:05 am

They are as beautifully "designed " a Lotus Elan.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:20 pm

Wasps are real horror story creatures. Years and years ago there was a big black mud dauber wasp at my uncles lake place. He killed it, being a big scarey bug. Being a curious little kid, I knocked down the nest and broke it open. Each cell was stuffed full of slow moving spiders, which was creepy in and of itself, but years later when I learned that those living spiders, poisoned by the wasp were a living lunch for the wasp larvae, I was really creeped out, bringing to mind the movie Alien, and thanking Jayzus I was not a spider.
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People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby PeterB » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:35 pm

Ah yes nature...

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Mukunda » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:24 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
tiltbillings wrote:But let us not forget the thousands of lavrae that will killed.

Without wanting to stir the hornet's nest...

:rofl:

... do larvae count as sentient beings?

Extract from SN 23.2: Satta Sutta
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I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then Ven. Radha went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?"

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for form, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for feeling... perception... fabrications...

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'


(For comparative purposes...) Someone can look under a microscope and see sperm moving for example, but does that make them sentient beings?

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Is a human baby a sentient being? A larva is nothing but an immature wasp, as an infant is an immature human.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Mukunda » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm

tiltbillings wrote:Wasps are real horror story creatures. Years and years ago there was a big black mud dauber wasp at my uncles lake place. He killed it, being a big scarey bug. Being a curious little kid, I knocked down the nest and broke it open. Each cell was stuffed full of slow moving spiders, which was creepy in and of itself, but years later when I learned that those living spiders, poisoned by the wasp were a living lunch for the wasp larvae, I was really creeped out, bringing to mind the movie Alien, and thanking Jayzus I was not a spider.


I imagine flies count wasps among their heroes. :woohoo:

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:25 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:But let us not forget the thousands of lavrae that will killed.


Without wanting to stir the hornet's nest...

:rofl:

... do larvae count as sentient beings?

Extract from SN 23.2: Satta Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then Ven. Radha went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?"

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for form, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for feeling... perception... fabrications...

"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up there, tied up there, one is said to be 'a being.'


(For comparative purposes...) Someone can look under a microscope and see sperm moving for example, but does that make them sentient beings?

Metta,
Retro. :)


... do larvae count as sentient beings?


Yep.

Larvae have already crawled out of an egg, remember?
(For comparative purposes...) Someone can look under a microscope and see sperm moving for example, but does that make them sentient beings?


As long as the egg cell and the spermies haven't met yet, they will perish quickly, if they don't meet. They're senteitn only after meeting and becoming one, that starts to grow.

So a larva is a sentient being, and killing it is not a good idea.

Monks won't eat fertilized eggs, right?
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:27 pm

tiltbillings wrote:Wasps are real horror story creatures. Years and years ago there was a big black mud dauber wasp at my uncles lake place. He killed it, being a big scarey bug. Being a curious little kid, I knocked down the nest and broke it open. Each cell was stuffed full of slow moving spiders, which was creepy in and of itself, but years later when I learned that those living spiders, poisoned by the wasp were a living lunch for the wasp larvae, I was really creeped out, bringing to mind the movie Alien, and thanking Jayzus I was not a spider.


Eek.

But reminds me of our cow stables.
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby notself » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:30 pm

I haven't read the whole thread, but the best way to get rid of wasps is to break the nest when they first start to build. Do this a couple of times and they will go else where. Be careful because, if wasps are like bees, the can recognize human faces.

http://www.sciencecodex.com/bees_recogn ... figuration
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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:47 pm

Greetings Annapurna,

Annapurna wrote:Larvae have already crawled out of an egg, remember?


I would need to have known it in the first place to remember it. :tongue:

I didn't study biology.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:05 am

retrofuturist wrote::

I didn't study biology.
You should. It is far more interesting than the Pet Shop Boys.
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People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:30 am

Wrong. 8-)

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If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Getting rid of a wasp nest without killing them... How?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:17 am

retrofuturist wrote:Wrong.
Look at the face of your wife or your youngest child. PSB more interesting than that?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson


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