Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

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Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby mick84 » Sun May 09, 2010 7:18 am

I saw this video clip of a young BUDDHIST man who really lost his temper. He was offended by a Christian man who was challenging his belief and the young Buddhist man starting going on a rampage and destroying the Christian man's sound equipment!

Is this justifiable of the young man? If so, how?

Is this unjustifiable of the young man? If so...what would you do in such a situation?

Should he pay for the man's sound-equipment?

Here is his rampage unfortunately caught on a strangers camera broadcast across the net:
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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby PeterB » Sun May 09, 2010 7:49 am

welcome to the forum mick84. Can you tell us a little about yourself by way of introduction ?
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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 09, 2010 8:03 am

PeterB wrote:welcome to the forum mick84. Can you tell us a little about yourself by way of introduction ?


Indeed, welcome. Please drop a note in the intro-forum. Thanks.

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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 09, 2010 8:07 am

As for the street preacher; it is best not to try to engage such folk with anything that approximates a serious response. Very often they try to be provocative, taking what you say and twisting it mightily to get an outburst, using that as away of discrediting what is said and as a way of justifying their own stance. It is all street theater, but it can be at the expense of the unwitting.

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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun May 09, 2010 8:47 am

oh why did i even watch that :toilet:
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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 09, 2010 8:54 am

jcsuperstar wrote:oh why did i even watch that :toilet:
It is all part of one's education of what is out there is the great big scary and ever changing world.
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Re: CAN THIS YOUNG BUDDHIST MAN BE JUSTIFIED FOR HIS ASSAULT?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 09, 2010 9:04 am

mick84 wrote:I saw this video clip of a young BUDDHIST man who really lost his temper. He was offended by a Christian man who was challenging his belief and the young Buddhist man starting going on a rampage and destroying the Christian man's sound equipment!
Hardly a rampage and certainly not an assault, since an assault would be upon a person.

Is this justifiable of the young man? If so, how?
Probably not justified, but then the the street preacher was being far less than Christian in goading the Buddhist.

Is this unjustifiable of the young man? If so...what would you do in such a situation?
The best thing to do with people such as the street preacher is not to engage them.

Should he pay for the man's sound-equipment?
There is no evidence that anything was broken.

Here is his rampage unfortunately caught on a strangers camera broadcast across the net:
Hardly a rampage.
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby Kim OHara » Sun May 09, 2010 10:37 am

Reflect also upon Christian intolerance of other religions ...
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby Mukunda » Sun May 09, 2010 6:08 pm

mick84 wrote:I saw this video clip of a young BUDDHIST man who really lost his temper. He was offended by a Christian man who was challenging his belief and the young Buddhist man starting going on a rampage and destroying the Christian man's sound equipment!

Is this justifiable of the young man? If so, how?

Is this unjustifiable of the young man? If so...what would you do in such a situation?

Should he pay for the man's sound-equipment?

Here is his rampage unfortunately caught on a strangers camera broadcast across the net:


Rampage??? Assault??? Are we watching the same video? :shrug:

Am I the only one sensing some hidden (and not very cleverly, may I add) agenda here? :stirthepot:
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun May 09, 2010 7:29 pm

Mukunda wrote:Am I the only one sensing some hidden (and not very cleverly, may I add) agenda here? :stirthepot:

You are not alone in that.
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby bodom » Sun May 09, 2010 9:42 pm

Well it was certainly no crusade was it?

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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby Tex » Sun May 09, 2010 10:28 pm

This is the first time I've heard a Buddhist say, "Buddha lives in everybody just like Christ lives in everybody" or show indignation at the suggestion that the historical Buddha is, in fact, deceased. I'd be curious to know exactly which type of Buddhism the young man practices, because I don't think it's any of the ones I'm familiar with.

As for the question, can he be justified -- no. He got angry and damaged (or tried to) someone else's property, and he should know better than that no matter what his religion is.
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun May 09, 2010 11:45 pm

I feel as if we're being treated to an unaired episode of Jackass or Punk'd.

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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby alan » Mon May 10, 2010 2:19 am

It's a set-up. Notice how they edit it so the "violence" and swearing appear at the start and at the end.
Pretty sure it was shot in Huntington Beach, CA. Used to live there for a bit, and would often see this type of stunt--usually just late night info-mercials. It's a great place to set up a camera and some lights--you have hoards of young people milling about who are unafraid of cameras, (drawn to them, actually) and it is easy to get a permit to shoot. Local cops have seen it all and probably just shrug.
My guess is our young "Buddhist" is some skater dude who got sucked into debating this guy after he had said something insulting. Which, of course, has been edited out.
Looks like far-right nutwing Christian propaganda, designed to show the mindless flock just how how nasty and senseless Buddhists can be.
Currently playing somewhere to great applause in DumbAss, USA, no doubt.
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby cooran » Mon May 10, 2010 3:06 am

And the OP joined Dhamma Wheel, posted this thread, signed out 15 minutes after he/she joined and hasn't been back since. Hit & Run?

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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby alan » Mon May 10, 2010 3:26 am

I was just thinking that same thing.
"unfortunately caught on a strangers camera"?
Highly unlikely.
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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby Pannapetar » Mon May 10, 2010 3:55 am

The comment that comes to mind is: "these yankees are crazy". In fact, the whole street-preaching thing is crazy. I can't think of a good reason to listen to, or even argue with a man who is constantly screaming at the top of his lungs. :cookoo:

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Re: Can this young Buddhist man be justified for his assault?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon May 10, 2010 4:27 am

cooran wrote:And the OP joined Dhamma Wheel, posted this thread, signed out 15 minutes after he/she joined and hasn't been back since. Hit & Run?

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Likely hit and run, but to what effect? Making the street preaching scene look pretty ugly. But as I said, with a good heckler or two (which the fellow in question was not), it can be good street theater, very entertaining.
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