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help with translation

Postby Sekha » Thu May 27, 2010 5:29 pm

For us — indulging in sensuality, delighting in sensuality, enjoying sensuality, rejoicing in sensuality — renunciation seems like a sheer drop-off
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html


what does 'a sheer drop-off' mean? (English is not my mother tongue)

I took it as synonym for 'a complete diminishing', but it appears itcould also be 'an abrupt fall off'

what do you think?
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Re: help with translation

Postby tiltbillings » Thu May 27, 2010 5:49 pm

Sheer drop-off.
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Re: help with translation

Postby beeblebrox » Thu May 27, 2010 5:50 pm

It's like standing right at the very edge of an extremely high cliff, looking down from the person's own attachment to the sensuality. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: help with translation

Postby Sobeh » Thu May 27, 2010 6:30 pm

Sheer in this sense is an adjective per the first definition:

1. perpendicular; very steep - a sheer cliff
2. (of textiles) so fine as to be transparent
3. (prenominal) absolute; unmitigated - sheer folly

I read "sheer drop-off" as a metaphor describing how renunciation looks horribly austere from the perspective of samsara, but not from the perspective of the Path.

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Re: help with translation

Postby Sekha » Thu May 27, 2010 10:02 pm

not the easiest thing I have translated so far...

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Re: help with translation

Postby Alexei » Fri May 28, 2010 5:57 am

Dukkhanirodha wrote:what does 'a sheer drop-off' mean?


'Sheer drop-off' = papāta (http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... :1615.pali)

By the way, there is Papāta Sutta.

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Re: help with translation

Postby Sekha » Fri May 28, 2010 3:30 pm

:thumbsup:


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