Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

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Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:13 pm

Greetings,

Is anyone aware of any suttas that give additional detail on the fetter of attachment to precepts and practices (aka rites and rituals) (Pali: sīlabbata-parāmāsa)?

Thank you.

Metta,
Retro. :)
Through corruption of the Dhamma comes corruption of the discipline, and from corruption of the discipline comes corruption of the Dhamma. This is the first future danger as yet unarisen that will arise in the future. You should recognize it and make an effort to prevent it. (AN 5.79)

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Re: Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:18 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Is anyone aware of any suttas that give additional detail on the fetter of attachment to precepts and practices (aka rites and rituals) (Pali: sīlabbata-parāmāsa)?

Thank you.

Metta,
Retro. :)
That is an interesting question, but then putting rules and rituals in the context of a Vedic culture might get at what is indicated.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam
Damned if I know.

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Re: Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

Postby santa100 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:21 pm

Maybe these ones on accesstoinsight.org:

Avoiding extreme views: SN 12.15
Buddha's first teachings on the ~: SN 56.11
Middle way between indulgence in sensuality and adherence to fixed rituals and precepts: Ud 6.8
Dependent co-arising as a "middle way" between extremes of views: SN 12.48

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Re: Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:26 pm

Since it is most often listed in regard to stream-entry, maybe one of the references in this article might have more detail:

http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Sotapanna

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Re: Any suttas explaining sīlabbata-parāmāsa in detail?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:22 am

Greetings,

Courtesty of one of santa100's references...

Ud 6.08 wrote:What's been attained, what's to be attained,
are both defiled by one who trains
in line with the afflicted.
Those for whom precepts & practices
are the essence of the training,
for whom celibacy is the essence of service:
this is one extreme.
Those who say, "There's no harm in sensual desires":
this is the second extreme.
Both of these extremes cause the growth of cemeteries,
and cemeteries cause views to grow.
Not directly knowing these two extremes,
some fall short,
some run too far.
But those who directly know them,
don't exist there,
don't conceive things
through them.
And for these people,
there's no whirling through the cycle
to be described.

:buddha1:

Metta,
Retro. :)
Through corruption of the Dhamma comes corruption of the discipline, and from corruption of the discipline comes corruption of the Dhamma. This is the first future danger as yet unarisen that will arise in the future. You should recognize it and make an effort to prevent it. (AN 5.79)

"If you stand up and be counted, from time to time you may get yourself knocked down. But remember this: A man flattened by an opponent can get up again. A man flattened by conformity stays down for good." - Thomas J. Watson

Never again...


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