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dedicating merit

Postby befriend » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:19 pm

do beings actually recieve the merit we dedicate to them? i saw in a list of ways to make merit, that dedicating merit, was kusala, but am wondering is this so, beause they really do acquire the merit we send them, or is it just a wholesome mind state? :anjali:

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby daverupa » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:26 pm

I expect it's a wholesome mind state, perhaps resulting in something close to mudita (sympathetic joy) when the "sender" considers the benefits the "receiver" will experience.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby cooran » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:37 pm

Hello all,

This might be of interest:

Sharing or Dedication of Merits
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/his ... tion05.htm

The Significance of Transference of Merits to the Departed
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/wh ... ev/307.htm

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby sublime » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:04 pm

please excuse my intrusion, lack of education and lack of wisdom; my feeling is that dedicating merit a way of re-affirming a personal committment; there's no possibility someone else can receive our own merit; kamma is strictly ascribed to the actor

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby befriend » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:18 pm

sublime wrote:please excuse my intrusion, lack of education and lack of wisdom; my feeling is that dedicating merit a way of re-affirming a personal committment; there's no possibility someone else can receive our own merit; kamma is strictly ascribed to the actor


thats what i thought.

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby cooran » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:36 pm

Hello all,

Hopefully you'll be interested in what the Buddha taught:

Tirokudda Kanda: Hungry Shades Outside the Walls
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu © 1994–2011
This sutta also appears at Khp 7.

Outside the walls they stand,
& at crossroads.
At door posts they stand,
returning to their old homes.
But when a meal with plentiful food & drink is served,
no one remembers them:
Such is the kamma of living beings.

Thus those who feel sympathy for their dead relatives
give timely donations of proper food & drink
— exquisite, clean —
[thinking:] "May this be for our relatives.
May our relatives be happy!"

And those who have gathered there,
the assembled shades of the relatives,
with appreciation give their blessing
for the plentiful food & drink:
"May our relatives live long
because of whom we have gained [this gift].
We have been honored,
and the donors are not without reward!"

For there [in their realm] there's
no farming,
no herding of cattle,
no commerce,
no trading with money.
They live on what is given here,
hungry shades
whose time here is done.

As water raining on a hill
flows down to the valley,
even so does what is given here
benefit the dead.
As rivers full of water
fill the ocean full,
even so does what is given here
benefit the dead.

"He gave to me, she acted on my behalf,
they were my relatives, companions, friends":
Offerings should be given for the dead
when one reflects thus
on things done in the past.
For no weeping,
no sorrowing
no other lamentation
benefits the dead
whose relatives persist in that way.
But when this offering is given, well-placed in the Sangha,
it works for their long-term benefit
and they profit immediately.

In this way
the proper duty to relatives has been shown,
great honor has been done to the dead,
and monks have been given strength:

The merit you've acquired
isn't small.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby daverupa » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:39 pm

cooran wrote:Hello all,

Hopefully you'll be interested in what the Buddha taught:


...but that is a late text from the Khuddaka Nikaya, which isn't quite the same thing.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby santa100 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:37 pm

If the merits could be transferred, it'd probably be very small. According to the Mahayana's Ksitigarbha Sutra, when the children generate good kamma to dedicate it to their deceased parents, out of 7 parts of good merits, the deceased could only receive at most 1 part. Most of the good stuff would all go into the "bank account" of the implementers..

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby sublime » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:26 am

That passage is not the same thing as dedicating merit. It is making offerings to the dead.

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:36 am

sublime wrote:That passage is not the same thing as dedicating merit. It is making offerings to the dead.


It would be good to see this supported with some references.
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Re: dedicating merit

Postby yamaka » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:13 am

Dear Befriend,

The source of dedicating merits to the departed ones was derived from the Kuddhaka Nikaya>kuddhaka Patha>Tirokutta Sutta.


Besides the merits making, the foods(and drinks) were also considered as an object to be offered to the departed ones, see Anguttara Nikaya 10.177(Janussoni Sutta)


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Re: dedicating merit

Postby sublime » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:30 am

Ben wrote:
sublime wrote:That passage is not the same thing as dedicating merit. It is making offerings to the dead.


It would be good to see this supported with some references.
kind regards,

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I'm just using standard English as my reference for interpreting the above-quoted passage. Dedicating merit generally means "I give you my merit that I get from practicing dharma." The above is making offerings of food and gifts to the dead.

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Re: dedicating merit

Postby yamaka » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:42 am

Here is another topic referring to the "Merits dedication/transmission".

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1068

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