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Bowing to lay teachers

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Postby Cittasanto » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:27 am

Here are a couple of articles By Piya Tan which maybe of help.

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How To Address A Teacher
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby Dan74 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:41 am

Bowing and prostrating comes hard to most people here I think.

I guess Aussies tend to be more irreverent and irreligious than the Yanks. I recall the time when my future friend Nadi did a full prostration to Ajahn Thanasanti (a forest nun) after we had dropped her off at the place she was staying. That was quite confronting and I was not sure what to do. I was certainly very impressed both by the Ajahn's talk and in general but prostrating??

Now I think that bowing and prostrating can be very good. Bow to the Dhamma, bow to the Buddha that is immanent in us all, bow, simply bow.
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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby Ricardo da Silva » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:12 am

If a man does evil, he should not do it again and again; he should not take delight in it; the accumulation of evil leads to suffering. (Dhammapada 117)

If a man does what is good, he should do it again and again; he should take delight in it; the accumulation of good leads to happiness. (Dhammapada 118)

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

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What about monks bowing to laypeople. Does it happen?

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:48 am

monks can not bow to lay people or junior monks.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:45 pm

Priority yes, but not everything. Otherwise senior monks would be bowing to junior monks, which they don't.
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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:47 pm

Why bow to anything or anybody? Just bow.

For me it's primarily an exercise in mindfulness and humbling and it doesn't really matter whether there is a Buddha image, an alter, or a teacher in front of me when i do it. Of course when I'm in tradional environments I do it at the tradional times and in the traditional manner but it's still primarily an exercise in mindfulness and humbling.

Sometimes gratitude towards the triple gem or a teacher arises in the mind sometimes not.

For example I've heard of monks undertaking the practice of bowing whenever they enter or leave their kuti. Also a Mahasi based tradition in northern Thailand practices a very slow one step at a time bowing practise at the begining and the end of sitting, this can take 5 minutes or so, it's very effective in collecting your mind and enhancing mindfulness.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Bowing to lay teachers

Postby Ricardo da Silva » Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:34 am

If a man does evil, he should not do it again and again; he should not take delight in it; the accumulation of evil leads to suffering. (Dhammapada 117)

If a man does what is good, he should do it again and again; he should take delight in it; the accumulation of good leads to happiness. (Dhammapada 118)


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