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Need help on finding references

Postby whynotme » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:19 pm

Hi,

Sometimes I read something and see the source of reference, ie: J.v.125ff, SA.iii.181, S.i.194.. I tried to search for meaning of these abbreviations but without luck so I will be very appreciated if someone could point out a fully list for these words and how they can be used.

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Re: Need help on finding references

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:25 pm

See: http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Help:Contents

If the Nikaya has an 'A' after it, then it refers to the Atthakatha (Commentary) to that Nikaya.

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Re: Need help on finding references

Postby whynotme » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:45 pm

After reading the link I still can not find the reference. Can you translate once for example, ie what does J.v.125ff mean?

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Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:57 pm

whynotme wrote:Can you translate once for example, ie what does J.v.125ff mean?


Jataka, Volume 5, page 125.

These are the PTS (Pali Text Society) abbreviations. Today, it is more common to see the abbreviations to the Nikaya and the Sutta number, for example:

SN 56.11 = Samyutta Nikaya, Sutta number 56.11 which is the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta.

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Re: Need help on finding references

Postby Paul Davy » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:17 pm

Greetings,

David N. Snyder wrote:Today, it is more common to see the abbreviations to the Nikaya and the Sutta number

Yes, (not that there's anything wrong with them, but thankfully) PTS no longer has a monopoly over English language translations of the texts, so the shift in notation is appropriate.

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Re: Need help on finding references

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:58 pm

To clarify a technical point:
The page numbers are to the PTS Pali version, not the translations, and can be useful to be specific about where exactly in a long sutta one is referring to.

There is a handy on-line tool here:
http://suttacentral.net/
which can be very useful in translating the Nikaya, Volume, Page reference into Nikaya, Sutta Number.
And it will give you on-line links in many cases, which is really handy.
Try entering
    MN i 1
    and checking the "Volume/Page reference" box. (Note that it is "MN", not "M".)
then
    MN 1
    and checking the "Abbreviation and number" box
to get some idea of how to use it.

Unfortunately, in some Nikayas, such as the SN, there can be a variation in the sutta numbering system...

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