Inwardly and outwardly?

[Hanzze]

"Balance" inwardly and outwardly with regard to body in mind, or me and others, or my actions and other actions, my world our world... is an often found argument.

Do we understand what is meant by inwardly and outwardly?

What are your thoughts?
What are the Suttas this "wellknown argument" is from?

[Ben]

Greetings Hanzze,

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.
Would you kindly explain what you mean?
Many thanks!

Ben

[DAWN]

More the dhamma is complicate, more the dhamma is conditioned, more the dhamma is disbalanced, more te dhamma is fragile, impermanent, suffering
So we must turn to the simplicity.

What is the most simple in rupe? - Breath
What is the most simple in citta? - Contemplation

Contemplation of breath - is the heart of balance between extarnal and internal. The Essencial practice to discover the non-duality, the equanimity of harmony.

[Hanzze]

Greetings Hanzze,

I'm not quite sure what you are getting at.
Would you kindly explain what you mean?
Many thanks!

Ben

For expample, if one rebukes to focus on own actions on own behaviour many would argue: "The Buddha taught us to care about the inside and the outside." (often found in "Engaged" Buddhism for example)

It seems to come from this mystical "Inwardly and outwardly" and I wonder if we (I) understand what it means.

[befriend]

i dont know maybe it means looking at trees and cars as opposed to looking inwards like sensations and the mind. i dont know.

[santa100]

Inward/Outward exist because the "I" exists. When there's no longer "I", "mine", or "myself", Inward/Outward will dissolve themselves. However, in order to completely eradicate this "I", both Inward and Outward trainings will need to be practiced: Inward means observing the precepts, meditation, and insight contemplation; Outward means wholesome mind, body action, and speech for the benefits of others..

[equilibrium]

They are simply views.
Views comes from the body and mind.
There are no views in Buddhism.

MN 19.....Two Sorts of Thinking.

[Hanzze]

Inward means observing the precepts, meditation, and insight contemplation; Outward means wholesome mind, body action, and speech for the benefits of others..

Can you explain that more in detail. What is the different between "body action, and speech" and "the precepts" for example?

[Hanzze]

Views comes from the body and mind.

From body and/or mind or from body in relation to mind or from mind in relation to body or sometimes from body and sometimes form mind?

There are no views in Buddhism.

So its the path dullness, blindness? Or did you talk more about the aims of this path? To be dull?

[santa100]

Hanzze wrote:
"Can you explain that more in detail. What is the different between "body action, and speech" and "the precepts" for example?"

They're all related in the sense that one simply cannot have wholesome body, mind, and speech toward others if one does not observe the precepts for oneself. However, I separate them out into Inward/observing precept to emphasize the cultivation/development to benefit oneself, while Outward/wholesome actions to emphasize the cultivation/development to benefit others. They are both important practices..

[Hanzze]

What does benefit others mean and why is that importand in regard of yourself?

It seems a little as if inward means "I" and outward "you" (others) in your statements, is that right?

[equilibrium]

Views comes from the body and mind.

From body and/or mind or from body in relation to mind or from mind in relation to body or sometimes from body and sometimes form mind?

There are no views in Buddhism.

So its the path dullness, blindness? Or did you talk more about the aims of this path? To be dull?

Body is part of mind.....mind is part of body.
Body cannot operate without the mind.....mind cannot operate without the body.
Two sides of the same coin.

The path has a purpose.....to allow one to see clearly.

The answer lies by looking within and not outwards.

[Hanzze]

The answer lies by looking within and not outwards.

Does that mean that mind is inwardly and body outwardly?

And, is there no use of "looking"/observing outwardly if that is meant by Inwardly and outwardly?

mind cannot operate without the body

I am not sure, can you explain that more in detail?

[santa100]

Hanzze wrote:
"What does benefit others mean and why is that importand in regard of yourself?

It seems a little as if inward means "I" and outward "you" (others) in your statements, is that right?"

For the first question, you should already knew the answer.

For the second question, as stated in my post, "I" and "you" aren't my goal, but for now, yes, I'll need to clearly define the scope to help my practice so that in a far distant future I'll no longer have to..

[equilibrium]

Only the mind has the ability to look inwards, the body cannot.
The mind itself cannot express, the body does.
Hence mind inwardly.....body outwardly.

Can a mind be seperated from a body to operate alone?

[DAWN]

Can a mind be seperated from a body to operate alone?

Without the ground there is no waves.

[Hanzze]

Hanzze wrote:
"What does benefit others mean and why is that importand in regard of yourself?

It seems a little as if inward means "I" and outward "you" (others) in your statements, is that right?"

For the first question, you should already knew the answer.

For the second question, as stated in my post, "I" and "you" aren't my goal, but for now, yes, I'll need to clearly define the scope to help my practice so that in a far distant future I'll no longer have to..

So your work is (or our work should be) an outwardly to get inwardly benefit?

"For the first question, you should already knew the answer." I am not sure. So what does benefit others mean and why is that importand in regard of yourself?

[Hanzze]

Only the mind has the ability to look inwards, the body cannot.

Where does it look into? And the same question in regard of "Can a mind be seperated from a body to operate alone?"

The mind itself cannot express, the body does.

What does express mean for you. Thinking that the body is what is meant outwardly, expressing to the inward?

Hence mind inwardly.....body outwardly.

That hence seems to me to quick in regard or "Can a mind be seperated from a body to operate alone?"

Can a mind be seperated from a body to operate alone?

I am not sure what is meant by mind, but thinking on the formless realm it seems that there are such phenomenas. Would there be still inwardly and outwardly?

[santa100]

Hanzze wrote:
"So your work is (or our work should be) an outwardly to get inwardly benefit?

"For the first question, you should already knew the answer." I am not sure. So what does benefit others mean and why is that importand in regard of yourself?"

For your first question, you tell me, why would putting an end to the "I" an "inwardly" benefit?

For your second question, again, please re-read my post for I have clearly provided the answer. By the way, answer my question above and you'll have the answer to your second question..

[Hanzze]

Difficult Santa, as I am not able to catch what is meant by inwardly and outwardly as it maybe should be caught, not to think of your personal perception of inwardly and outwardly. I guess we stuck in our flow of conversation (level of equal conncentration) and at such a point its better to begin a new.

Maybe you like to start anew with what is meant with it or what is meant by you.