Inwardly and outwardly?

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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:17 pm

Actually I've already provided my take on it. Imho, there's nothing complicated about these words for their meaning is pretty self-explanatory. "Inward" practice is to focus on observing the precepts and meditation practice which a practitioner needs to do to him/herself. An "Outward" practice is the wholesome mind, body, and speech a practitioner does to others. Once a practitioner's perfected these 2 practices, s/he'll completely transcended all ego attachments, as a result, the concept of Inward/Outward will dissolve by themselves. Here's my post again:

"Inward/Outward exist because the "I" exists. When there's no longer "I", "mine", or "myself", Inward/Outward will dissolve themselves. However, in order to completely eradicate this "I", both Inward and Outward trainings will need to be practiced: Inward means observing the precepts, meditation, and insight contemplation; Outward means wholesome mind, body action, and speech for the benefits of others.."

Somehow, you came to the conclusion that my message implies an outward practice just to benefit an inward self, could you point out why you see it that way?
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:32 pm

How could I interpret your words if you are not able? That why I request.

How ever, a new turn has the need of letting go of the past. Wanna give it a totaly new try with other words or more explaining? Regard me as 5 years old.
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:56 pm

Hanzze wrote:
"How ever, a new turn has the need of letting go of the past. Wanna give it a totaly new try with other words or more explaining? Regard me as 5 years old"

This is illogical. I cannot assume you're a 5 year-old. It's impossible for a 5 year-old to raise such a question in the original post to begin with..
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:58 pm

Is 15 ok?
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:59 pm

How about, is re-reading my post Ok?
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:03 pm

Regard me as a 15 year old who had really hard tried to follow your advices and read your post more then twice but still do not understand. You like that 15 years old, see that he does not understand what you mean and find one more time patience and calm, remember on the benefit of paramis, throw away the past in this regard, and try it in a different way. And its not about to refer that much to the OP but how you would explain inwardly and outwardly.
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:06 pm

I'd be happy to. But I'd need to hear your answer first:

Somehow, you came to the conclusion that my message implies an outward practice just to benefit an inward self, could you point out why you see it that way?
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:12 pm

It was maybe a foolish conclusion of this child and he beggs to forgive his cheeky kind and to forget the past. He even does not remember how he came to this idea.
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:17 pm

Actually, it's also out of my good intention to ask you to refer to my original post. I really don't know what else to say for I don't really see any complexity about those words. Maybe other experts can chip in and give their 2-cent on this?
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:32 pm

santa100 wrote:Maybe other experts can chip in and give their 2-cent on this?

Sounds like a good solution.
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:37 pm

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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby DAWN » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:04 pm

Inward / Outward is illusion, like all other duality, cause the nature is unity, there is nothink that can exist without his neighbor, there is no division. Like a 0 that cant be devided...

To see it, we must be more attentif about correlations between the mouvement of our thoughts, and the mouvement of our lifes, when the first correlation will be seen and after developped, inward/outward duality disapears, and when it's disapears you can play in life, when you tired to play a GTA with the limitless codes, you will ask your self the question... "It's pretty good game, but how get out? How to finish it?"

Is a good method to keep awereness in the daily life. You just try to remark the correlations between your past thoughts and the present moment.
Like a little kitty in front off a mirrow, he dont remark the correlations between his body and that he see in mirrow. He think that is an another kitty, so duality arise in his mind.

PS: Dont take this message litteraly, it's an image. And by saying 'you' i mean 'the one'

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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:03 am

Maybe useful to develope (meant as opposite of envelope) this topic further:

"And how is desire inwardly restricted? Whatever desire is accompanied by sloth & drowsiness, conjoined with sloth & drowsiness, that is called inwardly restricted desire.

"And how is desire outwardly scattered? Whatever desire is stirred up by the five strings of sensuality, outwardly dispersed & dissipated, that is called outwardly scattered desire.

Iddhipada-vibhanga Sutta: Analysis of the Bases of Power
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Inwardly and outwardly?

Postby DAWN » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:51 am

Hanzze wrote:Maybe useful to develope (meant as opposite of envelope) this topic further:

"And how is desire inwardly restricted? Whatever desire is accompanied by sloth & drowsiness, conjoined with sloth & drowsiness, that is called inwardly restricted desire.

"And how is desire outwardly scattered? Whatever desire is stirred up by the five strings of sensuality, outwardly dispersed & dissipated, that is called outwardly scattered desire.

Iddhipada-vibhanga Sutta: Analysis of the Bases of Power


Thanks you for this quote, i have never remark it.
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