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What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

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What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby SarathW » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:00 am

It appears to me that Magga and Phala is attained with one thought moment. See page 248 of the attachment. http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf

However it appears to me that it is possible to attain these at different times as there are two different persons (Puggala) are identified in texts. For example see the attachment: http://tipitaka.wikia.com/wiki/Kosambiya_Sutta

Which says “When the noble disciple is endowed with these seven characteristics, he is ready to realise the fruits (Phala) of the entry into the stream of the Teaching”

Could someone help me to clarify this please?
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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:33 am

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby santa100 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:50 am

SarathW wrote:
"It appears to me that Magga and Phala is attained with one thought moment. See page 248 of the attachment. http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf"

Are you sure the page number is right? 'cuz page 248 actually shows a "process" of 7 thought-moments, not a single thought-moment..

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby SarathW » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:58 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby santa100 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:03 am

So as long as it's not a single thought-moment and as long as there's a "process" (could be happening very fast but still indicates distinct time units), it should be no problem right?

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:14 am

Path and Fruition are different thought-processes, but both have nibbāna as their object. Each of the four Paths is attained only once — thereafter, the Noble Ones can attain Fruition consciousness whenever they wish. The attainment of the Path is very brief, but the attainment of Fruition may continue without interruption for hours or even for as long as seven days and nights.

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby SarathW » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:25 am

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby SarathW » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:30 am

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Re: What is the diffrence between Magga and Phala

Postby SarathW » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:45 am

Does Magga (Path) in this case means Noble Eight Fold Path?

Also see the following discussion:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21974
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