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Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:42 am
by alan
And no, it is not intuitive awareness. If that were true, we'd all be awakened. The Buddha said his Dhamma is deep, hard to fathom, to be understood by the wise. It goes against the grain. That's why we need to read the original teachings, and try our best to understand.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:49 am
by tiltbillings
Alan,
Intuitive Awareness is the title of a book by Ven Sumedho.
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/intui ... reness.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:51 am
by tiltbillings
alan wrote:And no, it is not intuitive awareness. If that were true, we'd all be awakened. The Buddha said his Dhamma is deep, hard to fathom, to be understood by the wise. It goes against the grain. That's why we need to read the original teachings, and try our best to understand.
And best to read it in the Pali.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:52 am
by alan
No disrespect to him, but do you think that is an appropriate understanding?
I've found nothing in the Suttas to back up this concept.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:54 am
by alan
What is the Pali word for intuitive awareness?
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:54 am
by tiltbillings
alan wrote:No disrespect to him, but do you think that is an appropriate understanding?
I've found nothing in the Suttas to back up this concept.
Back up what concept?
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:11 am
by DNS
tiltbillings wrote:Aloka wrote:tiltbillings wrote:One way to approach the issue:
- "We don't use the Pali Canon as a basis for orthodoxy, we use the Pali Canon to investigate our experience." -- Ajahn Sumedho
Do you have a source for the Ajahn Sumedho quote, please Tilt ?
Damdifino. I saw it years ago in a news letter.
It could be a paraphrase of this quote from Ajahn Sumedho:
The Suttas need to be studied, reflected on, and practiced in order to realize their true
meaning. They are not meant to be sacred scriptures which tell us what to believe. One
should read them, listen to them, think about them, contemplate them, and investigate the
present reality, the present experience with them. Then, and only then, can one insightfully
know the Truth beyond words.
Ajahn Sumedho (From his foreword to the Mauríce Walsh translation of Dígha Nikaya)
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:48 am
by alan
Agreed.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:54 am
by tiltbillings
David N. Snyder wrote:
It could be a paraphrase of this quote from Ajahn Sumedho
I found it in an online newsletter back in the E-Sandbox days during their "early Buddhism" skirmishes." I used it as part of my signature for awhile, but, alas, I cannot find the original source.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:58 am
by alan
Original source for everything is the Suttas. Without the words of the Buddha, we would be nowhere.
This is a basic fact!
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:59 am
by tiltbillings
alan wrote:Original source for everything is the Suttas. Without the words of the Buddha, we would be nowhere.
This is a basic fact!
Everything?
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:01 am
by danieLion
alan wrote:What is the Pali word for intuitive awareness?
I don't know if there is but I know this is Reverend Sumedho's translation of
sati sampajañña.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:02 am
by danieLion
alan wrote:Original source for everything is the Suttas. Without the words of the Buddha, we would be nowhere.
This is a basic fact!
In which
sutta did the Buddha teach that?
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:04 am
by tiltbillings
danieLion wrote:alan wrote:Original source for everything is the Suttas. Without the words of the Buddha, we would be nowhere.
This is a basic fact!
In which
sutta did the Buddha teach that?
The one that used the expression
intuitive awareness.
Re: Disregarding the Suttas is the height of arrogance.
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:11 am
by danieLion
From the link Tilt provided:
Reverend Sumedho wrote:Sometimes Theravàda comes across as annihilationism. You get into this ‘no soul, no God, no self’ fixation, this attachment to a view. Or is the Buddha’s teaching there to be investigated and explored? We are not trying to confirm somebody’s view about the Pàli Canon, but using the Pàli Canon to explore our own experience. It’s a different way of looking at it. If you investigate this a lot, you begin to really see the difference between pure consciousness and when self arises. It’s not hazy or fuzzy — “Is there self now?” — that kind of thing; it’s a clear knowing.
Intutive Awareness, pp. 136-138