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shooing flies

Postby purple planet » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:56 am

One of the first things i do since starting to practice and even before is to resist scratching

that is helpful now a question about fly - i thought about letting them walk all over me and not waving my hand next to them to remove them - does someone here does the same ? do you think they might have diseases ? or maybe lay larva in my skin ?
Please send merit to my dog named Mika who has passed away - thanks in advance
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Re: shooing flies

Postby Ben » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:33 am

Use repellant. Put up fly screens. Meditate under a mosquito net.
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Re: shooing flies

Postby cooran » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:48 am

Nothing wrong with shooing them away..... you are not harming or killing them.

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Re: shooing flies

Postby purple planet » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:09 am

I know there is nothing wrong - i just would like to add this as something to deal with -

Scratching unlike pain is a great way to learn equanimity , a great way not to react to not develop an aversion (or attachment to the relaxed skin)

So i wonder that maybe not shooing flies can be another way to aid in my practice
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Re: shooing flies

Postby daverupa » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:16 pm

MN 2 wrote:And what are the fermentations to be abandoned by tolerating? There is the case where a monk, reflecting appropriately, endures. He tolerates cold, heat, hunger, & thirst; the touch of flies, mosquitoes, wind, sun, & reptiles; ill-spoken, unwelcome words & bodily feelings that, when they arise, are painful, racking, sharp, piercing, disagreeable, displeasing, & menacing to life. The fermentations, vexation, or fever that would arise if he were not to tolerate these things do not arise for him when he tolerates them. These are called the fermentations to be abandoned by tolerating.


But, this isn't something to endure needlessly. Probably there were lots of flies around during ancient cemetery meditations, but if one was a monk or nun one could take the outer robe, drape it over the head, and cover all exposed skin. No problems - so maybe, get a large bed sheet if things get crazy:

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    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: shooing flies

Postby James the Giant » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:41 pm

I use mosquito attacks to cultivate tolerance during meditation. But I also do everything in my power to stop the little buggers getting in. But once one lands, I take no action and just make it part of the mediation.

Here's a an interesting thing I have seen in real life... This seal is sleeping on a beach. Amazingly, this seal is actually healthy. They can close their nostrils to stop the flies going up their nose too.
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